Today's film is netter as well.
Charles 46277 wrote:
I am semi-retired but, oddly, have less time for photography these days, or less energy. But I am starting to try making b/w negatives on 4x5 (as I used to do), which I can develop without a darkroom and then scan for digital printing--I no longer have the big enlarger. I can also attach the Canon to the 4x5s but of course the sensor is tiny compared to the 4x5 film. Still, it does let me use all the big classic lenses and the camera adjustments. My avatar picture here above was taken with an 8x10 camera with the Canon on the back, using a big Schneider lens. Ilford makes a 4x5 paper that you can shoot in the camera instead of negative film, then scan the paper. Because large format is no longer the main format for pros (or anybody but artists and enthusiasts), the cost is lower than it was. I saw somebody who found a Speed Graphic in good working order with good lens for $50 in a junk store, but they still fetch several hundred on eBay. I learned large format from books (especially Ansel Adams, peace be upon him) at my nearby public library and one old retired pro.
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Interesting. I'm feeling the less time/less energy thing as well :/ I still have a few medium format TLRs and folding cameras for 120 and 220 roll film and three enlargers, one medium format and two 35mm. I don't have a place to set them up. I can develop my film but I have avoided scanning it simply because once that is done it becomes digital and I may as well just use a digital camera. IMO. I too am self taught and studied Ansel Adams a lot. I'm going to look into the 4X5 Ilford paper thing. I've always liked Ilford products.
Here is a site for people who use paper negatives:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1438777439673554/discussion/previewMany of those members use a homemade box camera with pinhole. You can buy pinholes of good quality on eBay; the larger holes give wider angle, but all of them have extremely deep depth of field. I have thought of using one on the 4x5 but have not tried it.
They often use old paper just to see results.The Ilford paper is positive print paper, very slow: ISO 1. It is ortho high-contrast, but can be more normal with flashing (blank pre-exposure of white light).
https://www.freestylephoto.biz/1171158-Ilford-Direct-Positive-Paper-FB-F1K-Glossy-4x5-25-SheetsI think you are right that digitizing 35mm film is not seriously better than digital files, though a good medium format neg might scan a bigger and better image. I have not tried it.
The Ansel Adams textbooks are largely irrelevant today except for the optical science and the artistic mindset--and of course large format photography for artists.
redhogbill wrote:
I thought with all the Nikon vs canon vs "???????"
It would be fun to chime in and let us know what camera you use.
This is not a thread for arguing about what is better or throwing stones! not what lens you use, just what Brand camera you use....{you don't even have to say what model camera it is, unless you want to}
2 Nikon's for me
1 Olympus P&S
My twins and I use two Panasonic Lumix GH4 bodies and one GH5 body and various Lumix lenses... plus old Canon and Nikon film lenses with adapters. It should be noted the twins are wannabe filmmakers.
I have used Canon, Nikon, Pentax, Minolta, Yashica, Calumet, Bronica, Mamiya, Camerz, Olympus, and Panasonic gear over the years, for various reasons. All did or do the job. I gave up on Canon and Nikon years ago when they dragged their feet getting decent mirrorless stills/video hybrid offerings out the door. Panasonic rules that roost.
john vance wrote:
Nikon, Pentax and a cannon.
A cannon? A cannon is an artillery piece that shoots projectiles. Canon makes cameras, not cannons!
carney2 wrote:
Nikon DSLR
Fuji mirrorless
Fuji doesn't make cameras, FujiFilm makes cameras. Fuji makes bicycles.
boberic wrote:
oK! i'll ask whats the cannon for.
Usually for shooting the enemy.
Earworms wrote:
Fuji doesn't make cameras, FujiFilm makes cameras. Fuji makes bicycles.
Next you will try to tell us Nikon does not make sneakers.
Charles 46277 wrote:
Here is a site for people who use paper negatives:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1438777439673554/discussion/previewMany of those members use a homemade box camera with pinhole. You can buy pinholes of good quality on eBay; the larger holes give wider angle, but all of them have extremely deep depth of field. I have thought of using one on the 4x5 but have not tried it.
They often use old paper just to see results.The Ilford paper is positive print paper, very slow: ISO 1. It is ortho high-contrast, but can be more normal with flashing (blank pre-exposure of white light).
https://www.freestylephoto.biz/1171158-Ilford-Direct-Positive-Paper-FB-F1K-Glossy-4x5-25-SheetsI think you are right that digitizing 35mm film is not seriously better than digital files, though a good medium format neg might scan a bigger and better image. I have not tried it.
The Ansel Adams textbooks are largely irrelevant today except for the optical science and the artistic mindset--and of course large format photography for artists.
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Thanks, I'll check out the links.
I still find myself running Ansel Adam's Zone System through my mind when I'm in awkward lighting situations. I suppose it is just common sense by now, but I learned it when it first hit Photographic magazine. :-)
As well, his work on landscape composition is common sense by now meaning that any reputable landscape book teaches what were breakthroughs in his day.
PixelStan77 wrote:
Great loyalty for Nikon
Hmmm 1972, it was a Petri rangefinder. I always wanted a Nikon or Minolta with interchangeable lenses, I thought that was so cool. My next camera ended up being a Yashica A TLR and I got hooked on medium format and didn't pick up a 35mm with changeable lenses until 1990. :-)
Charles 46277 wrote:
Here is a site for people who use paper negatives:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1438777439673554/discussion/previewMany of those members use a homemade box camera with pinhole. You can buy pinholes of good quality on eBay; the larger holes give wider angle, but all of them have extremely deep depth of field. I have thought of using one on the 4x5 but have not tried it.
They often use old paper just to see results.The Ilford paper is positive print paper, very slow: ISO 1. It is ortho high-contrast, but can be more normal with flashing (blank pre-exposure of white light).
https://www.freestylephoto.biz/1171158-Ilford-Direct-Positive-Paper-FB-F1K-Glossy-4x5-25-SheetsI think you are right that digitizing 35mm film is not seriously better than digital files, though a good medium format neg might scan a bigger and better image. I have not tried it.
The Ansel Adams textbooks are largely irrelevant today except for the optical science and the artistic mindset--and of course large format photography for artists.
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A larger hole does NOT produce a wider angle. Angle is still dependeton FL even without any glass. A larger hole will just produce a softer image.
User ID wrote:
A larger hole does NOT produce a wider angle. Angle is still dependeton FL even without any glass. A larger hole will just produce a softer image.
Sorry, that sounds right, but does the focal length relate somehow to the hole size? As I said, I never tried it.The pinhole plate I bought fits a Canon mount, so the FL is fixed, but on a view camera it can be variable. Somewhere I got it in my head that the larger ones were for shorter FL.
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