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Sep 2, 2021 09:39:00   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
And you appear to be among the elitestest.
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Fear not. The Hawgland Fraternal Order of Dead Messengers is THE most highly respected elite club around here.

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Sep 2, 2021 10:23:30   #
Ednsb Loc: Santa Barbara
 
tgreenhaw wrote:
I think there is some confusion about semantics. Stacking is usually used to describe techniques for HDR and increasing DOF. There are some other related techniques that are referred to as stacking.

Adobe has more Info on this: https://helpx.adobe.com/photoshop/using/image-stacks.html

According to Adobe, "You can use image stacks to enhance images in number of ways: To reduce image noise and distortion in forensic, medical, or astrophotographic images. To remove unwanted or accidental objects from a series of stationary photos or a series of video frames. For example, you want to remove a figure walking through an image, or remove a car passing in front of the main subject matter."

I plan to try this as well :-)
I think there is some confusion about semantics. S... (show quote)

As do I. The author of the video actually has a great video of using this method to get rid of people in a crowded cityscape.

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Sep 2, 2021 11:36:50   #
rcarol
 
ImageCreator wrote:
This is a following up to my Aug 31st post on the same subject.
In my internet research I read an article on Flipboard where the photographer is using stacking photography in place of using an ND filter. His reasoning is that when using an ND filter you are subject to blurring due to the long exposure. Now this blurring might be what you want if its water, but you also get blurring from wind. Consequently, the image is not sharp. So, in the article the photographer takes a series of static photos from the same position, then stacks them together in photoshop to create a more dynamic, sharper image. His example showed a photo of the New York skyline with clouds and lightning. He captured 267 images and then used the best ones in a stack to create his final image.
Here is his photoshop process:
1. assemble your images
2. go to file, scripts, load stack (files need to be the same diminsions)
3. if the files are raw then click on "add open files."
4. click on auto align
5. in the layer menu, click on smart object, stack mode and choose either median or mean.
6. then wait while ps does its magic.

I have not tried this yet but will when I can shoot a bunch of the appropriate images.

I would imagine this would work best with a scene with changing lighting conditions, like a sunrise/sunset or cloudy storms.

It also looks like you will need to spend a lot of time recording the images, like and hour or more.

If any of you try this please show us the results.
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The procedure that you describe is used to reduce noise. I have used this procedure many times with great success.

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Sep 2, 2021 12:15:47   #
ImageCreator Loc: Northern California
 
rcarol wrote:
The procedure that you describe is used to reduce noise. I have used this procedure many times with great success.


What would be your process of using this method?

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Sep 2, 2021 12:21:36   #
rcarol
 
ImageCreator wrote:
What would be your process of using this method?


The process was already described by the poster. All I did was to identify that the process he was describing was a well known procedure used to reduce noise. Perhaps I didn't understand your question. If that's the case please clarify.

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Sep 2, 2021 13:09:37   #
Joexx
 
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If you can’t slow your shutter below 1/100”, you can shoot 25 frames at 1/100” each and then stack them. The effect as regards rendering motion will be similar to shooting at 1/4” cuz whatever moves is never quite the same from frame to frame.

You should notice that the *total* exposure time actually is 1/4” even though it’s the sum of many shorter exposures. Daylight could easily require f:45 or f:64 to shoot a single frame at 1/4”. This is where the comparison to a neutral density filter slips in. A 1.5 or 1.8 density would allow 1/4” in daylight at a more reasonable aperture, around f:8 or f:11 instead of f:64.
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I don't get it. Instead of the ND and 25 frames at 1/100, just just do 15 frames (or whatever) and no ND. Same result. Stacking is to add light, (or increase dof), ND allows a longer exposure, but if you are stacking 25 frames at a shorter exposure, i don't know what it gets you

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Sep 2, 2021 13:35:47   #
Alafoto Loc: Montgomery, AL
 
Rongnongno wrote:
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Long live The Dead Messengers Society!!!

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Sep 2, 2021 13:39:15   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
rcarol wrote:
The procedure that you describe is used to reduce noise. I have used this procedure many times with great success.


Different procedure. He’s talking about using multiple exposures instead of an ND filter to smooth clouds and water.

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Sep 2, 2021 13:40:31   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
rcarol wrote:
The process was already described by the poster. All I did was to identify that the process he was describing was a well known procedure used to reduce noise. Perhaps I didn't understand your question. If that's the case please clarify.


You identified a different procedure.

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Sep 2, 2021 14:48:47   #
rcarol
 
SuperflyTNT wrote:
Different procedure. He’s talking about using multiple exposures instead of an ND filter to smooth clouds and water.


The same procedure accomplishes both tasks.

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Sep 2, 2021 14:55:41   #
jackm1943 Loc: Omaha, Nebraska
 
ImageCreator wrote:
This is a following up to my Aug 31st post on the same subject.
In my internet research I read an article on Flipboard where the photographer is using stacking photography in place of using an ND filter. His reasoning is that when using an ND filter you are subject to blurring due to the long exposure. Now this blurring might be what you want if its water, but you also get blurring from wind. Consequently, the image is not sharp. So, in the article the photographer takes a series of static photos from the same position, then stacks them together in photoshop to create a more dynamic, sharper image. His example showed a photo of the New York skyline with clouds and lightning. He captured 267 images and then used the best ones in a stack to create his final image.
Here is his photoshop process:
1. assemble your images
2. go to file, scripts, load stack (files need to be the same diminsions)
3. if the files are raw then click on "add open files."
4. click on auto align
5. in the layer menu, click on smart object, stack mode and choose either median or mean.
6. then wait while ps does its magic.

I have not tried this yet but will when I can shoot a bunch of the appropriate images.

I would imagine this would work best with a scene with changing lighting conditions, like a sunrise/sunset or cloudy storms.

It also looks like you will need to spend a lot of time recording the images, like and hour or more.

If any of you try this please show us the results.
This is a following up to my Aug 31st post on the ... (show quote)


One problem with this sort of stacking for noise reduction, etc., in Photoshop at least is that if you stack ten 30 MB images you end up with a working file of 300 MB which your computer may not be able to handle. For noise stacking, I've found than three images works just as well as five or ten.

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Sep 2, 2021 16:05:59   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
rcarol wrote:
The same procedure accomplishes both tasks.


Ok, maybe “procedure” was a poor choice of words since the actions you’re taking are pretty much the same. Doing it for noise reduction is usually because you’re shooting in low light and pushing the ISO, the idea being that with multiple identical exposures the noise will be different in all of them and by stacking you lose the noise. The OP was talking about using multiple exposures when you have too much light to get a long enough exposure to smooth out water and clouds, the idea being that with enough exposures the water and clouds will be different in each one and the cumulative effect will be like a long exposure.

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Sep 2, 2021 16:07:33   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
jackm1943 wrote:
One problem with this sort of stacking for noise reduction, etc., in Photoshop at least is that if you stack ten 30 MB images you end up with a working file of 300 MB which your computer may not be able to handle. For noise stacking, I've found than three images works just as well as five or ten.


Anytime I do stacking I flatten the image before continuing processing. Although I do agree that for noise reduction you usually don’t need 10 images. For macro focus stacking or simulating long exposures it can be quite a few.

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Sep 2, 2021 16:21:06   #
User ID
 
rmalarz wrote:
And you appear to be among the elitestest.
--Bob

King of the Hill

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Sep 2, 2021 16:26:10   #
User ID
 
Joexx wrote:
I don't get it. Instead of the ND and 25 frames at 1/100, just just do 15 frames (or whatever) and no ND. Same result. Stacking is to add light, (or increase dof), ND allows a longer exposure, but if you are stacking 25 frames at a shorter exposure, i don't know what it gets you

A longer total exposure.

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