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Sep 1, 2021 17:29:19   #
bigguytf
 
Very nice. Lear, sharp and good coloring.

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Sep 1, 2021 17:48:51   #
joecichjr Loc: Chicago S. Suburbs, Illinois, USA
 
Zooman 1 wrote:
Taken with the M50 at the Miller Park Zoo using the adaptor and the Canon 100-400mm lens, hand held,


What an impressive shot of a stunning creature ❤️🌈⭐🌈❤️

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Sep 1, 2021 18:51:40   #
LEWHITE7747 Loc: 33773
 
My cell phone Iphone Pro 12 could have taken as good as this camera. Not real world application!

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Sep 1, 2021 19:57:38   #
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tgreenhaw wrote:
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Take a look at the Canon Rp. It's about the same price as the 90D and will suit your needs better. It also lets you use RF lenses in case you want to upgrade in the future.

The most sensible reply in the whole thread. Really stands apart.

When I saw the OP’s three way choice I actually thought it was a joke.

The M-series is neglected, quite possibly doomed. It has no unique function in the ecosystem. The D series is truly dead.

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I’m still open to discovering that it’s just an unfunny joke ... to ignore the RP and seriously ponder those three is some odd form of self abuse.

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Sep 1, 2021 23:51:13   #
Doc Mck Loc: Terrell,Texas
 
I have a new 90D. Very pleased. Use it for wildlife photos. I also have a 7D mk 2 I bought used on eBay for around $700. That is wonderful. Look for US model with low shutter count. Less than 20,000.

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Sep 2, 2021 05:41:31   #
LEWHITE7747 Loc: 33773
 
User ID wrote:
The most sensible reply in the whole thread. Really stands apart.

When I saw the OP’s three way choice I actually thought it was a joke.

The M-series is neglected, quite possibly doomed. It has no unique function in the ecosystem. The D series is truly dead.

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I’m still open to discovering that it’s just an unfunny joke ... to ignore the RP and seriously ponder those three is some odd form of self abuse.


Rp makes no sense --with no Ibis and animal eye detection it is in no man's land. Either go dslr or R series. The RP is already obsolete.

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Sep 2, 2021 08:31:50   #
Zooman 1
 
Post a photo taken with your phone!

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Sep 2, 2021 09:48:20   #
Ioannis
 
cony25 wrote:
Any experience with either of these cameras?
I would like to use them for both video and photography.

Which would be the best overall deal?

Any particularities of performance?

Any downsides?

Your experience is appreciated as I need guidance.


I had the 90D camera, this camera has everything a photographer needs to have for all purposes, for me it was very heavy and too complicated. I traded in for the M6 another wonderful mirrorless camera by canon, but no viewfinder which I missed many important shots trying to use the back screen. I have and enjoying the M50, for me taking photos of my family some landscaping and street shots this camera is very easy to use it, it has a limited selection of lenses but adaptors can be used.

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Sep 4, 2021 15:11:01   #
amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA
 
cony25 wrote:
Any experience with either of these cameras?
I would like to use them for both video and photography.

Which would be the best overall deal?

Any particularities of performance?

Any downsides?

Your experience is appreciated as I need guidance.


The M50 and M6 Mark II are mirrorless cameras. The 90D is a DSLR. If you don't know the difference, Google it.

All three cameras use a sensor format called "APS-C" that's quite common and very capable of meeting most peoples' needs.

The M6II and 90D both use a similar 32.5MP sensor... the highest resolution of any camera with an APS-C sensor. In fact, higher resolution than many so called full frame cameras that use a larger sensor.

The M50 uses a 24MP sensor that's pretty much the standard among today's cameras with this sensor format.

Actually, there is a slightly updated M50 Mark II. I don't know how it differs from the older model.

The M6II and M50 (also M50 Mark II) uses EF-M mount lenses. There is a fairly limited selection of those from Canon... 8 total, ranging in focal length from 11mm to 200mm. There are also about a half dozen more with autofocus from other manufacturers.

The 90D uses EF-S and EF lenses, which have been in production since around 1990 and there are literally millions on the used market that will fit and work on the cameras. There are currently around 60 Canon lenses for the camera (after they recently discontinued 24 lenses). There are also a great many lenses for the 90D from other manufacturers such as Sigma, Tamron, Tokina and others. Focal lengths from 10mm to 800mm are available. There are also even wider fisheye and, occasionally on the used market, even longer super telephoto lenses.

EF-S and EF lenses can be adapted to use on the M6II and M50 cameras. EF-M lenses cannot be adapted for use on any other system.

The 90D ($1200 body only) is a relatively full size DSLR with an excellent optical viewfinder. It uses a fairly large LP-E6N battery that gives it about 1300 shots per charge and can take up to 11 shots per second at its max burst rate. There also is option to fit it with a vertical battery grip, so a second LP-E6N battery can be fitted. The 90D has a fairly advanced AF system for a DSLR... with 45 points that cover approx. 50% of the image area in a centered array. The 90D uses a "joystick" to select individual AF points. It can focus as low as -3EV light levels (moonlight) and is "f/8 capable". This means it will be able to autofocus with more lens/teleconverter combinations than some other cameras that are "f/5.6 limited". Switched to Live View, the 90D works similar to the M6II. The 90D has a top shutter speed of 1/8000 and it is durability rated for 120,000 shutter actuations.

The 90D is usually sold in kit with the very good EF-S 18-135mm IS USM lens. When bought in kit with the camera, you essentially get that lens for $300. When it's bought separately, that lens typically costs

The M6 Mark II ($850 body only, $1349 w/EVF & EF-M 18-150mm IS STM lens) doesn't have a built in viewfinder, but an optional EVF-DC2 electronic viewfinder can be fitted to the shoe on top of the camera. The camera is often sold in kit with that viewfinder. The M6II's AF system has 143 points that cover most of the image area. There is no joystick, but the rear LCD screen can be used to select individual AF points. The M6II also has face detection and is said to track subjects better than the 90D in Live View.

The M6II uses a smaller LP-E17 battery and is rated to give about 300 shots per charge. There is no battery grip available for the M6II. The M6II can shoot at up to 14 frames/sec, however I think that is only with focus locked, which isn't very practical. Usually bursts are done when shooting moving subjects and focus needs to track with them. The top shutter speed of the M6iI is 1/4000. I don't know its durability rating, but would suspect it's around 100,000 shutter actuations.

The M50 and M50 Mark II ($600 body only, $700 w/EF-M 15-45mm IS STM lens, $930 w/EF=M 15-45mm & EF-M 55-200mm IS STM lenses) have a built-in electronic viewfinder. The AF system is very similar to the M6II's, but the newer M50II also has subject eye detection and tracking. I am fairly certain the M50II uses the same battery and gets about as many shots per charge as the M6II. The M50II can shoot still photos at up to 10 frames/sec. I don't know if this is only with focus locked or not.

Both the M50 models and the M6II are considerably smaller and lighter than the 90D. Some of the EF-M lenses are also quite compact.

I don't shoot video, so don't know much about it. AFAIK, all three of these cameras can shoot 4K. They all also have articulated LCD screens, though I think the M6II's is limited to just tilting.

All three use SD memory cards (UHS II).

The 90D and M6II have "anti-flicker", a feature which solves exposure problems that can occur under fluorescent and similar types of lighting. I don't think the M50II has this feature.

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Sep 4, 2021 15:21:43   #
cony25
 
amfoto1 wrote:
The M50 and M6 Mark II are mirrorless cameras. The 90D is a DSLR. If you don't know the difference, Google it.

All three cameras use a sensor format called "APS-C" that's quite common and very capable of meeting most peoples' needs.

The M6II and 90D both use a similar 32.5MP sensor... the highest resolution of any camera with an APS-C sensor. In fact, higher resolution than many so called full frame cameras that use a larger sensor.

The M50 uses a 24MP sensor that's pretty much the standard among today's cameras with this sensor format.

Actually, there is a slightly updated M50 Mark II. I don't know how it differs from the older model.

The M6II and M50 (also M50 Mark II) uses EF-M mount lenses. There is a fairly limited selection of those from Canon... 8 total, ranging in focal length from 11mm to 200mm. There are also about a half dozen more with autofocus from other manufacturers.

The 90D uses EF-S and EF lenses, which have been in production since around 1990 and there are literally millions on the used market that will fit and work on the cameras. There are currently around 60 Canon lenses for the camera (after they recently discontinued 24 lenses). There are also a great many lenses for the 90D from other manufacturers such as Sigma, Tamron, Tokina and others. Focal lengths from 10mm to 800mm are available. There are also even wider fisheye and, occasionally on the used market, even longer super telephoto lenses.

EF-S and EF lenses can be adapted to use on the M6II and M50 cameras. EF-M lenses cannot be adapted for use on any other system.

The 90D ($1200 body only) is a relatively full size DSLR with an excellent optical viewfinder. It uses a fairly large LP-E6N battery that gives it about 1300 shots per charge and can take up to 11 shots per second at its max burst rate. There also is option to fit it with a vertical battery grip, so a second LP-E6N battery can be fitted. The 90D has a fairly advanced AF system for a DSLR... with 45 points that cover approx. 50% of the image area in a centered array. The 90D uses a "joystick" to select individual AF points. It can focus as low as -3EV light levels (moonlight) and is "f/8 capable". This means it will be able to autofocus with more lens/teleconverter combinations than some other cameras that are "f/5.6 limited". Switched to Live View, the 90D works similar to the M6II. The 90D has a top shutter speed of 1/8000 and it is durability rated for 120,000 shutter actuations.

The 90D is usually sold in kit with the very good EF-S 18-135mm IS USM lens. When bought in kit with the camera, you essentially get that lens for $300. When it's bought separately, that lens typically costs

The M6 Mark II ($850 body only, $1349 w/EVF & EF-M 18-150mm IS STM lens) doesn't have a built in viewfinder, but an optional EVF-DC2 electronic viewfinder can be fitted to the shoe on top of the camera. The camera is often sold in kit with that viewfinder. The M6II's AF system has 143 points that cover most of the image area. There is no joystick, but the rear LCD screen can be used to select individual AF points. The M6II also has face detection and is said to track subjects better than the 90D in Live View.

The M6II uses a smaller LP-E17 battery and is rated to give about 300 shots per charge. There is no battery grip available for the M6II. The M6II can shoot at up to 14 frames/sec, however I think that is only with focus locked, which isn't very practical. Usually bursts are done when shooting moving subjects and focus needs to track with them. The top shutter speed of the M6iI is 1/4000. I don't know its durability rating, but would suspect it's around 100,000 shutter actuations.

The M50 and M50 Mark II ($600 body only, $700 w/EF-M 15-45mm IS STM lens, $930 w/EF=M 15-45mm & EF-M 55-200mm IS STM lenses) have a built-in electronic viewfinder. The AF system is very similar to the M6II's, but the newer M50II also has subject eye detection and tracking. I am fairly certain the M50II uses the same battery and gets about as many shots per charge as the M6II. The M50II can shoot still photos at up to 10 frames/sec. I don't know if this is only with focus locked or not.

Both the M50 models and the M6II are considerably smaller and lighter than the 90D. Some of the EF-M lenses are also quite compact.

I don't shoot video, so don't know much about it. AFAIK, all three of these cameras can shoot 4K. They all also have articulated LCD screens, though I think the M6II's is limited to just tilting.

All three use SD memory cards (UHS II).

The 90D and M6II have "anti-flicker", a feature which solves exposure problems that can occur under fluorescent and similar types of lighting. I don't think the M50II has this feature.
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Wow!!!!

Thank you so much for your explanation, my decision has been made a 90d, seems to be a better purchase.


Again, thank you!

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Sep 4, 2021 15:26:22   #
cony25
 
I like your rhetoric.


so rp?

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Sep 4, 2021 16:11:57   #
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LEWHITE7747 wrote:
Rp makes no sense --with no Ibis and animal eye detection it is in no man's land. Either go dslr or R series. The RP is already obsolete.

The only way to enjoy an RP is to stick with OIS lenses. On that basis it’s a great choice. But your warning about IBIS is important ! I wanted a nice range of OIS primes to free my 5Drs from its tripod. I faced verrrrry slim pickinz :-( But now that I have them, an enticing further use of them will be a dirt cheap, used, IBIS deprived RP. The 35/2.0 IS will be on it like white on rice :-)

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Sep 4, 2021 16:12:42   #
LEWHITE7747 Loc: 33773
 
cony25 wrote:
Wow!!!!

Thank you so much for your explanation, my decision has been made a 90d, seems to be a better purchase.


Again, thank you!


Every friend I have that has had a 90d has hated it. This morning a friend shooting a sony A7lll has a 90 D collecting dust. This is the worst decision you could make. Someone made a great explanation why it is so bad . The pixels being so small make it a very unforgiving camera. No crop sensor has so many pixels crammed in such a small space.

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Sep 4, 2021 16:36:22   #
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LEWHITE7747 wrote:
Every friend I have that has had a 90d has hated it. This morning a friend shooting a sony A7lll has a 90 D collecting dust. This is the worst decision you could make. Someone made a great explanation why it is so bad . The pixels being so small make it a very unforgiving camera. No crop sensor has so many pixels crammed in such a small space.

Thaz high density but not too high. It’s about the same as a 20MP Olympus or Lumix, and the crop factor between the formats is only 1.25X, so it’s a good comparison.

As to your concern about camera motion with high pixel density, I can very much agree. I won’t use an m4/3 without OIS and-or IBIS, so likewise I would not use the 90D without OIS.

Yes it’s a bunch of pixels, but you worry waaaaaay to much about numbers.

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Sep 4, 2021 16:39:05   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
If you can't find successful with an EOS 90D, find an excuse.

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