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Aug 30, 2021 21:37:55   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
Wasn't there a story about the Donners who took the path less traveled?

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Aug 30, 2021 21:40:33   #
Quixdraw Loc: x
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
Wasn't there a story about the Donners who took the path less traveled?


This from a guy afraid of mirrors and Nikons?

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Aug 30, 2021 21:43:55   #
srt101fan
 
quixdraw wrote:
I know Cattle, comes with the territory. How many Roundups and Branding / Vaccinations have you been on? Relevant analogies.


I guess I don't understand what you're really trying to say with your "analogy". My apologies if I misinterpreted you.

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Aug 30, 2021 21:46:26   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
Longshadow wrote:
Not really. What comes in, goes out, and comes back in again.
Look at clothes, 50's retro, ...


That wasn’t the analogy.

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Aug 30, 2021 21:47:26   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
srt101fan wrote:
You're way off, no herd mentality here. Just not comfortable joining up with someone who lumps together vaccinations and "removal of body parts" in a putdown of herd mentality....


Yep, that statement alone says a lot about the poster.

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Aug 30, 2021 21:57:47   #
Quixdraw Loc: x
 
Just the difference between a Bull and a Steer - in Ranch Country, obvious.

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Aug 30, 2021 22:08:20   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
trapper1 wrote:
The proliferation of cell phones vis-a-vis dslrs is an example of Greshams Law applied to photography, the complex being replaced by the simplistic. It is simply a choice between photography as a hobby and having the willingness and time to learn the intricacies of the dslr versus the must-have-it-right-now philosophy of the cell phone users prevalent today. The same attitude is reflected in reading, which has taken a distant second place to watching the brain-dead offerings of the boobtube. The current generation has a totally different mind-set from that of previous decades as their choices of interests and opportunities to learn have expanded exponentially. People will always take the easiest choice and using a cell phone is far easier than having to learn to use a dslr.
The proliferation of cell phones vis-a-vis dslrs ... (show quote)


I think that’s an oversimplification. People will always take the easiest choice that gives them the results they require. When their knowledge and equipment no longer meets their needs they’ll learn what they need.

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Aug 30, 2021 22:17:34   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
Camera owners who expect moments of seismic shift in the camera market to be comfortable and free of conflict have not learned their history.

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Aug 30, 2021 22:21:41   #
TucsonDave Loc: Tucson, Arizona
 
genocolo wrote:
I don’t know about you but it exceedingly rare for me to see a dslr in use anymore. It is not disturbing nor even surprising I guess, just fact.

Having traveled by car for the last two months from the west coast of Florida to popular photo locations in PA, MA, VT, NH, NY, and Maine, I saw exactly THREE dslrs in use, one Sony, one Nikon, and one Canon.

I used an IPhone 12 Pro to record most of the people, things and places I wanted to remember, and a Canon 80D with a 100-400 to get shots impossible with the IPhone. It was just a matter of convenience. As much as I love the Canon, carrying it around all the time and using it was just inconvenient and unnecessary.

Here are a few examples. I’m not claiming that they are technically great, and maybe it is just my eye, but I can’t tell the difference between the two. Can you?
I don’t know about you but it exceedingly rare for... (show quote)


These are wonderful compositions and final images. Congratulations!!

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Aug 31, 2021 00:31:04   #
delder Loc: Maryland
 
Stardust wrote:
It could be said cameras don't have 3-5 optical lens available at a touch of the finger (Samsung S21), weigh ounces, always available on my hip, and emails or texts photos to whomever desired. I still use my DSLR for dedicated shoots but catch myself using my phone more & more.


Long time Nikon F4004 user switched to digital pocket cameras 📷 when film got harder to develop. Have been using a (used) D3100 for a year or so
Just got the Samsung S21 5G and the "Telephoto lens is spoiling me!
I will go to it first if ther is a chance I will miss the shot getting out the D3100...
These are mostly Travel photos.

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Aug 31, 2021 02:19:15   #
pdsilen Loc: Roswell, New Mexico
 
We've all spent hundres of dollars on our equipment. So have I. And I'm satisfied with the results. I don't see any reason to blow hundreds more dollars on new gagdetry. With the mirrorless cameras my biggest concern are two factors. They haven't been on the market long enough to prove their reliability in the long haul. Secondly with the mirrorless camera the sensor is exposed and prone to damage. So. Here's to the old addage, "If it aint broke, don't fix it."

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Aug 31, 2021 07:31:10   #
Kelly Cherry
 
Nikon and Canon have entered the mirrorless camera age. They are no longer producing DSLR cameras, but you can adapt your DSLR lenses to your mirrorless camera by way of using an adapter. Most professionals are still using DSLR cameras in the Industry, because pound for pound they are built for heavy usage and dependability where even the best mirrorless cameras simply break down.

Nothing against mirrorless, I have some myself and am very happy with my micro 4 3rds cameras from Panasonic which I can adapt all lenses from just about any other camera system to. Sony is the biggest seller of mirrorless cameras. The only thing is that all repairs including sensor cleanings must be done by Sony themselves. The sensors are coated and if you aren't experienced with cleaning them you can be looking at an expensive sensor replacement.

As far as taking pictures with you phone, they will be fine until you try printing them from 8x10 and up because the image will pixelate, or become very grainy in appearance as you try to enlarge the image.
Your phone is a back lite device, and images look great on there small screens until you start printing them for profit. But technology is feverishly working on improving this problem and things will eventually improve taking us into yet another level of new technology. So new technology has taken over the market by way of the new mirrorless cameras and new phone devices. But the DSLR cameras are still a rugged investment for the working Professional photographer and serious hobbiest.

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Aug 31, 2021 08:03:44   #
genocolo Loc: Vail and Gasparilla Island
 
Alphabravo2020 wrote:
That is mostly a personal and holistic opinion. On the objective side here are a few reasons:

1. Control of focal length: On a cell phone this can only be done with your feet or approximated with digital zoom which has obvious limitations due to resolution and noise (or now you can buy lens attachments for your phone). You have no control over the relative size of the background and foreground compared to your subject without control of focal length.

2. Control of aperture. You cannot exclude or de-emphasize or artistically enhance the background of your subject without aperture control. Aperture control gives you a front and rear gate. Cell phones don't have this.

3. Filters. Without the ability to add an ND or CP filter you cannot control aperture in bright light. These two filters cannot be replaced by any software.

4. Lens personality/character. The artistic effect of a particular lens cannot be duplicated. That is why the lens exists and it represents the skill of master lens crafters. This is also tied to aperture control since the lens effects fall off quickly with smaller apertures. Cell phone lenses are designed for the least amount of personality/character possible and are more documentary.

Here is an example from a location study for a model shoot where I was wondering about this very question. At smaller apertures I am increasingly unhappy with the lack of lens effects and increased background detail. Again, a personal opinion, but with a cell phone I would be stuck at f/2.4 or thereabouts.
That is mostly a personal and holistic opinion. On... (show quote)


Thank you for your very informative explanation.

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Aug 31, 2021 08:09:23   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
User ID wrote:
It’s not the observation that things come and go thaz so ridiculous. Thaz obviously quite true enuf.

Whatz clearly ridiculous is presenting that as analogous to phone evolution. THAT is specifically whatz ridiculous. It doesn’t fit.

Why not?
Do analogies have to be perfect? Or can they be a little obtuse.

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Aug 31, 2021 09:05:17   #
genocolo Loc: Vail and Gasparilla Island
 
To wrap this up, my original post unintentionally and unexpectedly started a wide-ranging, sometimes interesting, discussion. It was really meant only as an observation, nothing more.

That discussion confirms what we already knew, that most of us use BOTH mobile phones and dedicated, sophisticated cameras, generically described as “dslrs.” The choice often depends on a variety of factors, some of which are: “which is most readily available when the photo opportunity arises?”, “what is my target today?”, “is this a dedicated photo shoot?”, etc.

While obviously I am not arguing for or against the use of mobile phone cameras, I will say to those of you who dismiss a high quality mobile or cell phone camera as one only for “snapshots,” you should look at the results of the annual Mobile Photography Awards. Talk about “art” and “quality”!

So, coming full circle and without trying to discover the EXIF data, which, IF ANY, of the four photos in my original post, do you believe were taken with an IPhone?

After time for replies, I will post the answer if you are interested.

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