DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods

Rose42

Its also impossible to excuse Biden on this epic failure.

dpullum Loc: Tampa Florida

Denny T, wrong, it is quite possible to rewrite history, but you must take the conservative approach. Looking history is forbidden, it only confuses people, Dennis you and reality are offensive.. bad boy.

A dream sequence ... I recall when the British left India, they did it properly. Band playing, British flag lowered, India flag raised, more music and salutes, and the usual British foot stomp turn and march away to have tea and crumpets. In 1947 after 150 years!!!

Now, the Republicans claim that Mr. Trump would have handled the exit the British/India way, if he had only had another 4 years. That playbook ending is what the Republicans and FOX and even the False News expected now that the disastrous Vietnam-like ending has happened. Truth is, Trump/Pompeo set up a "Friday the 13th" movie exit that became Biden's nightmare perhaps ending on October 31st, Halloween!!! They even released the evil character from the madhouse prison in Pakistan who is not the leader of the Taliban. Wow just like a movie script... Surprise!!

ISIS by bin Laden set up a Tar Baby Trap** and young Bush and his war-loving VP substitute father Cheney punched it in the nose and we fought for two decades getting stuck in the goo of nation-building and turning the Afghanistan world into a democracy and wanting them to become nice Christians... too many wanted us out but now jump in horror because it was not a smooth British/India storybook transition... GROW UP!!! Biden is getting us out of the Tar Baby trap called Afghanistan and it comes with a high price of death. Trump set the schedule and the horror movie script timeline.

**A Tar Baby is a difficult situation that is impossible to solve. The harder one struggles, the harder it is to extricate oneself from a tar baby. A tar baby is a trope of African folklore, made up of wax or gum or some other sticky material and used to literally trap someone. Our Tar Baby for the past twenty years is Afghanistan.
https://grammarist.com/usage/tar-baby/

Bill 45

You are dead on, but Mr. Moron's people, who still can't get over that Brien won back in Nov.

One Rude Dawg Loc: Athol, ID

Both politicians, scumbags one and all, they are all the same. Pick which ever breed of cat you like. They are the same worldwide. One of the many curses of the human race.

Kraken Loc: Barry's Bay

Maybe you should stop big business from getting the scumbags elected.

BadPhoto Loc: Maryland

No, it is quite possible. Pulling out of Afghanistan was most likely to be a chaotic mess, no matter how it was done. Trump negotiated with the Taliban behind the backs of the Afghanistan government. So they knew where the US stood, and that the US did not have the backs of the Afghanistan government or the Afghanistan army. US pulls out, Afghanistan army gives up like a stack of dominoes in a strong wind, and chaos ensues.

At least he has the will to get out of Afghanistan. I hope he does the same with Iraq, although that would cause even more chaos because it would result in a divided Iraq and a lot of tension with Turkey (which is probably the main reason we won't ever get out of Iraq).

Rose42

After trump’s screw up he had plenty of time to prepare. He failed. If it weren’t for vets and other civilians and active duty military willing to bend the rules there would be many more lives lost. The idiot gave names to the taliban and its anyone’s guess how many will be executed because of that

I agree with you on Iraq. If he could get us out of there it would be a good thing.

mikee

I like the way you think. BUT, i think this also falls on Obama and Trump. Any thinking president should have seen the disaster unfolding and cut our losses the day after being swarn in.

Wyantry Loc: SW Colorado

Oh, history is being re-written every day.

Mostly by liberal socialist-types with a “progressive” agenda.

Witness the denial of history effectuated by the removals of statues and monuments.
Or the promotion of the “cancel-culture” crowd(s).
Or the blathering rush to promote “gender-identity-legislation” irregardless of biological sex.

It is really doubtful ex-president Mr. T had enough mental wherewithal to set a such a far-reaching and destructive “tar-baby trap”—this is certainly the case if the transcript of his January sixth rambling, bumbling, nearly-incoherent, disconnected harangue, or other speeches and Tweets are read!

BadPhoto Loc: Maryland

Removing statues and monuments to traitors is not denial of history, it is reflection of history. Losers don't get to set the agenda. Even more important, most of those statues and monuments were put up with the express intent of suppressing minorities. All the more reason for them to be taken down.

If cancel culture means removing threats to and suppression of women and minorities, then cancel away. They are immoral and deserve to be destroyed.

Bill 45

I can go along with that. you are right. Outside of French with Napoleon. The South is the only place that monuments were build to remember loser of a war.

Wyantry Loc: SW Colorado

You appear to be morally-outraged that monuments to (generally) honorable individuals were ever made or erected. That is, of course, your personal decision.

The PROBLEM with the rewriting of history and cancellation of historical fact is that people do not then know what was done—and therefore there is the distinct possibility that similar actions may occur.

There seems to be a complete trend to ignore the lessons of historical facts. Actually, it is important to understand the conditions, culture and mindsets of the Southern plantation-culture and the slave-culture that was brought on primarily as a result of the increased usage of cotton. This was given great impetus by an engineering innovation: the cotton gin. Prior to that, the entire slave-culture was declining.
So technology promoted the slave-culture and slave-trade. Without the technological innovations, slavery would not even have continued.

If you want to blame someone or something, then blame technology and economic pressures. THAT is the sort of historical data that is being ignored by the ignorance of, and ignoring of, historical and cultural interactions and interrelationships.

So, in fact, technology promoted slavery and plantations. It was not a repressive culture of Southern landowners that created the economic pressures which promoted the cheap labor afforded by slave labor.

It is important to understand that fact, rather than think it was just the attitude of a group of landowners. This is precisely the type of data that is being suppressed by efforts to cancel culture and history.

Social and sexual inequities DO require correction, but ignoring historical fact to promote the change(s) is likely to cause a repetition of repression and control.

BadPhoto Loc: Maryland

First, there was nothing honorable about slavery, or the people that supported it. Of course there are reasons for slavery; but they are far outweighed by the reprehensible nature of the system.

Second, I am not proposing re-writing of history, but correcting the misinterpretation of it. Statues honoring the Confederacy are not written history, they are symbols of suppression erected in an attempt to re-interpret history in favor of the Confederacy. They not only represent the period of slavery, and the bloody attempt to preserve it, but they also represent the attempt to revise history and re-suppress freed slaves and their descendants. They are an abomination.

Third, there is no way to use these statues and monuments in their current position of display in such an education program. If that's what you want, then take some of them and put them in a museum setting where the actual story of slavery and suppression can be explained. Leaving them in public view with no change in context simply perpetuates the repressive purpose for which they were originally erected.