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dlwhawaii Loc: Sunny Wailuku, Hawaii

Watosh wrote:

Sorry, but yes I do. Bad habit.
Are you and Kracken related?

Yes. We're twins with different parents.

Kraken Loc: Barry's Bay

dlwhawaii wrote:

Yes. We're twins with different parents.

redlegfrog

Watosh wrote:

I thought I said that it was my opinion.
I doubled checked and yes, yes I did say it was my opinion.
Some of the words must have fallen into the ocean on the trip to HI.

dlwhawaii Loc: Sunny Wailuku, Hawaii

redlegfrog wrote:

Apparently you missed my response to this post.

redlegfrog

dlwhawaii wrote:

Apparently you missed my response to this post.

Must be tough going through life so touchy!

dlwhawaii Loc: Sunny Wailuku, Hawaii

redlegfrog wrote:

Must be tough going through life so touchy!

Not at all.

DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods

Blurryeyed wrote:

Previous Covid Prevents Delta Infection Better Than Pfizer Shot

People who recovered from a bout of COVID-19 during one of the earlier waves of the pandemic appear to have a lower risk of contracting the delta variant than those who got two doses of the vaccine from Pfizer Inc. and BioNTech SE.

The largest real-world analysis comparing natural immunity—gained from an earlier infection—to the protection provided by one of the most potent vaccines currently in use showed that reinfections were much less common. The paper from researchers in Israel contrasts with earlier studies, which showed that immunizations offered better protection than an earlier infection, though those studies were not of the delta variant.

The results are good news for patients who already successfully battled COVID-19, but show the challenge of relying exclusively on immunizations to move past the pandemic. People given both doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine were almost six-fold more likely to contract a delta infection and seven-fold more likely to have symptomatic disease than those who recovered.

“This analysis demonstrated that natural immunity affords longer lasting and stronger protection against infection, symptomatic disease and hospitalization due to the delta variant,” the researchers said.

The analysis also showed that protection from an earlier infection wanes with time. The risk of a vaccine-breakthrough delta case was 13-fold higher than the risk of developing a second infection when the original illness occurred during January or February 2021. That’s significantly more than the risk for people who were ill earlier in the outbreak.

Giving a single shot of the vaccine to those who had been previously infected also appeared to boost their protection. The long-term benefit of a booster dose of the inoculation, which has just recently begun in Israel, is unknown.

The data was posted as a preprint article on medRxiv, and hasn’t yet been reviewed by other researchers.

https://fortune.com/2021/08/27/covid-natural-immunity-vaccine-delta-variant-pfizer-protection/

Previous Covid Prevents Delta Infection Better Tha... (show quote)

Maybe so but that had nothing to do with the “ facts “ 97% of the deaths and hospitalization today are people that were not vaccinated.
So who care.

Tex-s

BadPhoto wrote:

This may be good news for those that already recov... (show quote)

Vaccines don’t prevent infection. They hopefully prevent complicated infection. There is an argument to suggest dodging complex cases also lowers the odds of long term issues, but to suggest vaccines ‘prevent’ infection of that they drop the potential for long term issues to zero is either ignorant, disingenuous or both.

Health and public policy are arenas that demand precise argument/debate, not overly broad claims, generalization or emotional appeals.

Rose42

DennyT wrote:

Maybe do but that had nothing to do with the “ facts “ 97% of the deaths and hospitalization today are people that were not vaccinated.
So who care.

Why of course they are.

Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.

DennyT wrote:

Maybe so but that had nothing to do with the “ facts “ 97% of the deaths and hospitalization today are people that were not vaccinated.
So who care.

Maybe people that have already had covid, think Denny think!

DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods

Blurryeyed wrote:

Maybe people that have already had covid, think Denny think!

Have no idea what you’re trying to say ?
But assume. That people who have had covid are protected as you say . Fine!!!

But the rest -Face two options: (1) wait to catch covid be one of the 97% and hope they survive with protection you speak of
Or
2. Get the vaccine , even if they catch the virus stay out of the hospital

Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.

DennyT wrote:

Have no idea what you’re trying to say ?
But assume. That people who have had covid are protected as you say . Fine!!!

But the rest -Face two options: (1) wait to catch covid be one of the 97% and hope they survive with protection you speak of
Or
2. Get the vaccine , even if they catch the virus stay out of the hospital

Denny, the OP is simply news, not an argument in favor or disfavor of getting the vaccine

BadPhoto Loc: Maryland

Tex-s wrote:

Vaccines don’t prevent infection. They hopefully prevent complicated infection. There is an argument to suggest dodging complex cases also lowers the odds of long term issues, but to suggest vaccines ‘prevent’ infection of that they drop the potential for long term issues to zero is either ignorant, disingenuous or both.

Health and public policy are arenas that demand precise argument/debate, not overly broad claims, generalization or emotional appeals.

Wrong. Vaccines limit infection rates, and significantly limit serious complication rates. By factors of 5 and at least 20.

Wyantry Loc: SW Colorado

Blurryeyed wrote:

Previous Covid Prevents Delta Infection Better Than Pfizer Shot

People who recovered from a bout of COVID-19 during one of the earlier waves of the pandemic appear to have a lower risk of contracting the delta variant than those who got two doses of the vaccine from Pfizer Inc. and BioNTech SE.

The largest real-world analysis comparing natural immunity—gained from an earlier infection—to the protection provided by one of the most potent vaccines currently in use showed that reinfections were much less common. The paper from researchers in Israel contrasts with earlier studies, which showed that immunizations offered better protection than an earlier infection, though those studies were not of the delta variant.

The results are good news for patients who already successfully battled COVID-19, but show the challenge of relying exclusively on immunizations to move past the pandemic. People given both doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine were almost six-fold more likely to contract a delta infection and seven-fold more likely to have symptomatic disease than those who recovered.

“This analysis demonstrated that natural immunity affords longer lasting and stronger protection against infection, symptomatic disease and hospitalization due to the delta variant,” the researchers said.

The analysis also showed that protection from an earlier infection wanes with time. The risk of a vaccine-breakthrough delta case was 13-fold higher than the risk of developing a second infection when the original illness occurred during January or February 2021. That’s significantly more than the risk for people who were ill earlier in the outbreak.

Giving a single shot of the vaccine to those who had been previously infected also appeared to boost their protection. The long-term benefit of a booster dose of the inoculation, which has just recently begun in Israel, is unknown.

The data was posted as a preprint article on medRxiv, and hasn’t yet been reviewed by other researchers.

https://fortune.com/2021/08/27/covid-natural-immunity-vaccine-delta-variant-pfizer-protection/

Previous Covid Prevents Delta Infection Better Tha... (show quote)

This postulates that getting the SARS Co-V2 virus AND SURVIVING IT affords immunity more effective than the antibody response from receiving the vaccination. That may be factual.

HOWEVER the chances of surviving the Covid virus infection without-vaccination is much reduced. Reduced, by measured data, by more than 60%.

If a person was looking at the percentages/odds and betting-with-their-life (which they are); facts indicate the chances of successful survival are greatly enhanced by getting vaccinated.

Supporting evidence:

Joe Schwarcz PhD | 27 Aug 2021
COVID-19

“It is true that the original protection rate of over 90% in the trials has not been matched by real-life experience, but that was to be expected. However, the protection is still significant. Recent data from the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) shows that among frontline workers vaccines are 66% effective even when most infections are due to the delta variant.

A study published in Nature, one of the world’s most respected journals, shows that after being infected by the SARS-CoV-2 virus, people may have some protection for a year and that vaccinating these individuals substantially enhances their immune response and confers strong resistance against variants including Delta.

Then we have a study from Kentucky that compared 246 individuals with laboratory-confirmed SARS-CoV-2 infection who later became re-infected with 492 controls who were originally infected but subsequently showed no signs of reinfection. Subjects who had not been vaccinated were 2.3 times more likely to be re-infected.

Then we have a study from Los Angeles that examined over 43,000 cases of infection in people over the age of 16 and found that the infection rate among unvaccinated was 4.9 times greater than among the fully vaccinated, and the hospitalization rate among the unvaccinated was 29 times greater.

In summary, vaccines work even against the Delta variant, they boost immunity even in people previously infected with the virus, reduce rates of re-infection, and protect people from infection in the first place. And most importantly, vaccination keeps infected people out of the hospital. Vaccines work.”

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7034e4.htm?s_cid=mm7034e4_w

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2782139

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7032e1.htm

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7034e5.htm

SteveS Loc: The US is my home.

Natural immunity from a prior Covid infection is 13 times more effective than vaccines against the delta variant. Why would this group be required to get a vaccine?

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1.full.pdf