Should I make the change to a new camera?
Aug 27, 2021 17:01:19 #
Larry76
Loc: Alabama
I am 76 plus. I do Fine Art photography for artists, usually oil paintings. Stability of subject is not an issue, think heavy wooden, oversized easel with weights. Lighting is everything. But the competing claptrap in this series on pixels, resolution, sensor size, coloration, vividness, saturation, dpi, make of camera, stabilization, print size, monitor screen size, etc., of comments is interesting, but not nearly as informative as the DPREVIEW video referred to below. You will not regret watching and learning from it.
https://www.dpreview.com/articles/5559775087/choosing-a-camera-should-i-worry-about-pixel-size
https://youtu.be/gAYXFwBsKQ0
Stability of the camera and lens is VITAL. Let me note that weight, as in astronomy telescopes, and industrial microscopes is EVERYTHING to prohibit NOISE, from jitter, breathing,wind, ground shudder - from people walking, elevators, etc., etc.
I cannot do handheld, and wouldn't even try. In fact I built a HEAVY tripod, with modifications to "pin" the camera, the monitor, the flash, and the microphone (for video comment to artist), to the horizontal bar with 1/4" stainless steel bolts through the 1.25" thin wall tubing. The tripod is the Benro Mach 3, the video head is the Benro S6 Pro. Why video head? Because I can move via one handle, all of the items pinned to the horizontal bar at ON TIME in up/down/left/right axes, and thus center the frame exactly where I want it to be. Of course auto focusing on my Nikon Z6ii is at first auto, then manual (always; because on larger (wider/taller) works the dead center focus point has to be adjusted because of lighting variations on the work (oils reflect differently because their surface texture and heights, reflection, are different all over the piece). Fun? Huh?
I shoot 14bit raw, 600dpi, I print 16bit, 600dpi, on Canon Pro 10 or 1000. The biggest challenge to receive client approval is coloration - they mixed them in minute detail, my job is to mirror it.
https://www.dpreview.com/articles/5559775087/choosing-a-camera-should-i-worry-about-pixel-size
https://youtu.be/gAYXFwBsKQ0
Stability of the camera and lens is VITAL. Let me note that weight, as in astronomy telescopes, and industrial microscopes is EVERYTHING to prohibit NOISE, from jitter, breathing,wind, ground shudder - from people walking, elevators, etc., etc.
I cannot do handheld, and wouldn't even try. In fact I built a HEAVY tripod, with modifications to "pin" the camera, the monitor, the flash, and the microphone (for video comment to artist), to the horizontal bar with 1/4" stainless steel bolts through the 1.25" thin wall tubing. The tripod is the Benro Mach 3, the video head is the Benro S6 Pro. Why video head? Because I can move via one handle, all of the items pinned to the horizontal bar at ON TIME in up/down/left/right axes, and thus center the frame exactly where I want it to be. Of course auto focusing on my Nikon Z6ii is at first auto, then manual (always; because on larger (wider/taller) works the dead center focus point has to be adjusted because of lighting variations on the work (oils reflect differently because their surface texture and heights, reflection, are different all over the piece). Fun? Huh?
I shoot 14bit raw, 600dpi, I print 16bit, 600dpi, on Canon Pro 10 or 1000. The biggest challenge to receive client approval is coloration - they mixed them in minute detail, my job is to mirror it.
Aug 27, 2021 17:06:52 #
Larry76 wrote:
I am 76 plus. I do Fine Art photography for artist... (show quote)
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Aug 27, 2021 18:01:59 #
I'll second others' advice: rent the equipment you're thinking about and try it out. How does it feel in your hands, how heavy is it (a PRIME concern of mine - those mountains seem to get steeper every year), and how much of an improvement is it. Of course, this is offset by how much time you'll spend regretting not getting it. So try it out first. Then you'll have PERSONAL data to evaluate.
Aug 27, 2021 18:48:22 #
Aug 27, 2021 19:00:15 #
home brewer wrote:
High density sensors do not tolerate camera movement. Even high shutter speed may not prevent the blurr
Second that, I have a Canon 90D with 32+mp on a crop sensor. It is so sensitive to movement/camera shake I am thinking of clamping it on my geared macro head tripod combo and only use it for macro/ultra closeups of still subjects.
I saw that one rumor from Canon about crop sensor R series cameras to come late this year or in 2022 is an R7 to replace the 7DII with 32+MP. I would like an updated replacement for my 7DII but that many megapixels would make it iffy for action/sports/birds/other wildlife shots in anything but very bright light where you can go 1/4000 or beyond. An R in crop sensor should probably be 24MP at max for that type of camera. And I would be happy with 20MP like the 7DII has in an improved new generation sensor.
Aug 27, 2021 19:08:30 #
Longshadow wrote:
Do you/anyone have an article reference? Explaining the physics of it?
I fail to comprehend why.
I fail to comprehend why.
Small high density pixels when the camera moves cover a lot more space out at the focal point = more motion blur unless you can get to very high SS. The longer the lens and the further the subject, the more the blur.
My 90D gets some degree of blur even at 1/2000 if I am trying to hand hold without a good solid brace.
My 20 year old self who an Army Expert badge in 1966 could probably pull it off, but not my 75 year old fat out of shape retired self today.
When hand holding (esp with a long lens) good solid braces=cars, fence, railing, light pole etc. are pretty much a must unless the light is so bright you can go to ultra fast SS.
Aug 27, 2021 19:28:16 #
Longshadow wrote:
For the life of me I can't figure out how they would!
Somebody probably saw it on the internet.....
For the life of me I can't figure out how they would!
Somebody probably saw it on the internet.....
I see it on my computer in LR/PS all the time. My 90D at 32.5MP has a pixel density of 9.81 MP/cmĀ².
The FF Sony A7R IV at 61MP only has a density of 7.18 MP/cmĀ².
Pixels that small/dense will show camera shake/movement. Tripods and high SS will offset it, but are not real handy for those of us who go around after birds etc. anywhere but Death Valley at high noon on a cloudless day. I have carried a tripod while roaming a stream after water birds, it was a pain in the rear and slow to setup and get a shot = birds gone. A monopod was somewhat better, but not as steady (it can sway when you are breathing hard). From a blind or good hiding spot you can make it work but you have to wait for the subjects to come to you. Well, except for the mosquitoes and flies, they come soon and often.
Aug 27, 2021 19:35:37 #
imagemeister wrote:
Instead of switching lens mounts, keep your full frame lenses and consider the The A99 or A99 II - this will entail a direct cash outlay unless you dump the two 77's and crop lenses .... the A99 II will still be a considerable outlay tho - but worth it if you are serious !
I dumped my A77II about 4 years ago ....for the A99
Aug 27, 2021 19:38:25 #
Bugs wrote:
I'll be 81 in 3 weeks. Six months ago I purchased ... (show quote)
He probably wasn't fibbing. My Great Grandfather - grew up on a farm in the era of hand tools and mules/horses to pull the plow with the farmer walking behind to guide it by hand and kept a 2.5 acre garden with hand tools until he was 89 (passed a week or so short of 92) was in better shape than many guys 60 years younger into his late 80s. Except for a broken arm at 16 and his Social Security check up he never saw a doctor until he developed heart problems at 88. The doctor was the one who told him to stop working that garden.
Aug 27, 2021 19:42:18 #
home brewer wrote:
Steve Perry (backcountry gallery) has an article. Short answer the smaller the individual pixel the more likely the image will move to the adjacent pixel during exposure
read this from another source
https://blog.mingthein.com/2012/11/05/resolution-shot-discipline-image-quality/
read this from another source
https://blog.mingthein.com/2012/11/05/resolution-shot-discipline-image-quality/
He has good stuff and you don't really need to subscribe to his site to see all his stuff. He sometimes posts hints and advice with his posts here on the UHH.
Aug 27, 2021 19:47:15 #
I'm a 65 year old professional landscape photographer based in Tasmania, Australia. My camera of choice is a Sony A7R111. I always use a tripod and 100 ISO whenever possible. I say go for it! www.dennisharding.com.au
Aug 27, 2021 19:47:16 #
neillaubenthal wrote:
E. Lā¦.thatās ācuz everybody hereā¦well, a significantly high percentage but pronto everybodyā¦it certainly excludes meā¦is an expert. š
A lot of experts are mainly experts at being an expert - myself included at times (too many years being the big cheese in a classroom of teenagers)
Aug 27, 2021 19:55:16 #
Bill_de wrote:
I read all the time that people stand back an appropriate distance. I've been to enough exhibits, from small local shows to major events in NYC. In most cases the only people who are standing back are those who don't know how to elbow their way through the crowd, or are tall enough to look over everyone else's head. Sad but true.
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Yes, at the Art Museum I have seen people push against the velvet rope lean over and almost get their nose on the art - attendants had to get them to back off - and you would have thought their basic God given rights were being violated or they were three and someone was taking their ice cream away.
Aug 27, 2021 19:58:15 #
If you are primarily looking for more pixels, and full frame, a used Sony a7rii has 42 mp., same as the a7riii, but it is about $600 less (both seen in used at KEH)
Between the ii and the later iii, Iām not sure what other features you might be giving up, or if they matter greatly to you.
IF you can sell one of the aps cameras and a couple of aps only lenses for $600, youāll need another thousand for the iii, but just $400 for the ii. Keep the lenses that will work on full frame, if you like them.
I bought a ii model new last month, and now I see it has been discontinued. Probably why the price was so good! It is a very nice camera, and appears to be just what I need for converting my inventory of negatives into digital format. Perhaps it will meet your needs, too, and help you stay in your budget.
Between the ii and the later iii, Iām not sure what other features you might be giving up, or if they matter greatly to you.
IF you can sell one of the aps cameras and a couple of aps only lenses for $600, youāll need another thousand for the iii, but just $400 for the ii. Keep the lenses that will work on full frame, if you like them.
I bought a ii model new last month, and now I see it has been discontinued. Probably why the price was so good! It is a very nice camera, and appears to be just what I need for converting my inventory of negatives into digital format. Perhaps it will meet your needs, too, and help you stay in your budget.
Aug 27, 2021 22:16:38 #
photogeneralist wrote:
Iām an 80 yr young photo enthusiast. My main int... (show quote)
I'll soon be 85 and as a 50 year diabetic with all the corollary issues my strength and stamina are perceptibly on the wane. I recently bought an A7R3 and love it. I like shooting different types of action, birds, sports, as well as landscape, still life, macro, etc. I shake and after all these years I know what I have to do to offset that as I'm sure you do. Sell your gear here after going to the "sold" section of ebay and observing what your gear sells for there so you can price it fairly for uhh members to purchase. You'll get more money for your gear that way as others have said.
Get what you can, buy what you want, and do what you have to do to get the results you want, and when you can't do that, moderate your acceptance to what you get, or not. Don't be concerned about what you can't do and just do what you can and enjoy yourself. Time is running out and when it's gone there'll be no more. Go for it and quit listening to young people giving you advice about your unique issues they don't fully understand, rife with technical gobbledygook that may not apply and just do it. Apply all your years of knowledge and in the end, you'll get what you get and it'll be wonderful having done it and may even help you live a longer and happier life. š
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