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Aug 23, 2021 13:50:13   #
UTMike Loc: South Jordan, UT
 
Color, but it is close.

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Aug 23, 2021 13:51:17   #
amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA
 
I love B&W images. But in this case I find the color version the better of the two.

I think it's because the color version does a better job delineating foreground from middle ground from background. In the B&W version they all just sort of blend together. For example, notice how the top of the old wheel tonalities are similar to the distant hills behind it. It's the same with the bush on the right.

It might be possible to do some selective dodging and burning to improve the B&W. But as they sit right now, the color helps define the fore, middle and background better to give greater sense of three-dimensionality and depth. To me it seems the color version is more encouraging to look around and explore the different elements with my eyes, while nothing really stands out in the B&W and I'm not sure where to look.

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Aug 23, 2021 13:55:42   #
Retired CPO Loc: Travel full time in an RV
 
DickC wrote:
And I feel the opposite.


That's OK. There's plenty of room here for different opinions. But I'm right!

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Aug 23, 2021 13:58:37   #
DickC Loc: NE Washington state
 
Retired CPO wrote:
That's OK. There's plenty of room here for different opinions. But I'm right!


I suppose your right in your own mind, but not every one else's.

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Aug 23, 2021 14:30:06   #
Cany143 Loc: SE Utah
 
amfoto1 wrote:
I love B&W images. But in this case I find the color version the better of the two.

I think it's because the color version does a better job delineating foreground from middle ground from background. In the B&W version they all just sort of blend together. For example, notice how the top of the old wheel tonalities are similar to the distant hills behind it. It's the same with the bush on the right.

It might be possible to do some selective dodging and burning to improve the B&W. But as they sit right now, the color helps define the fore, middle and background better to give greater sense of three-dimensionality and depth. To me it seems the color version is more encouraging to look around and explore the different elements with my eyes, while nothing really stands out in the B&W and I'm not sure where to look.
I love B&W images. But in this case I find the... (show quote)


It seems that you and I are in general agreement, overall, but I can think of better methods that mitigate or 'improve' some of the issues we both pointed out. None of those, however, would include dodging or burning in their typical application. Those other methods might include the pinpointed use of hard edged selections or copied and masked layers --or a combination of the two-- ultimately blended together using different modes or levels of opacity, the intent being that in so doing, the goal would be to 'highlight' (or visually accentuate) select areas in either image at hand. But to do so would more a matter of 'this is the software I use and what its (or my) capabilities are' than is generally accepted in a Gallery post. Too often, comments say more about the ME who's commenting than they do about the IMAGE, which they're no longer addressing.

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Aug 23, 2021 16:22:12   #
daldds Loc: NYC
 
Hey guys, here’s how it went. Took shot August 2, adjusted a bit in LR, then used PS on the wheel, looked at the image and wondered how it would look in black-and-white, thought “I’ll ask the hogs which looks better,“ used NIK’s wet rocks with a little bit of stronger structure, and put both in the forum.
I did not realize it would generate a major discussion.

Life is good!

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Aug 23, 2021 16:44:04   #
BrentHarder Loc: Southern California
 
daldds wrote:
I was in Torrey, Utah in early August during their weird “monsoon” season. Another storm was forming as I finished dinner.
NIK “wet rocks” with modifications.
Notice how the black and white delineates the rain bands in the approaching storm.
There is no right or wrong to my questions: which do you like better, and why?



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Aug 23, 2021 18:37:53   #
papamuski
 
The sky is more dramatic in B&B, but the line between the sky and the mountain seems artificial. I love the B&W wheel, rocks, and dead tree in the foreground, but the cliffs are a little too bright.

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Aug 24, 2021 05:34:39   #
Manglesphoto Loc: 70 miles south of St.Louis
 
daldds wrote:
I was in Torrey, Utah in early August during their weird “monsoon” season. Another storm was forming as I finished dinner.
NIK “wet rocks” with modifications.
Notice how the black and white delineates the rain bands in the approaching storm.
There is no right or wrong to my questions: which do you like better, and why?


Color
For the same reasons that Bob gave

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Aug 24, 2021 06:48:36   #
mvetrano2 Loc: Commack, NY
 
Color

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Aug 24, 2021 08:28:47   #
sodapop Loc: Bel Air, MD
 
Apples and Oranges. Both look great to me in their own way

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Aug 24, 2021 08:40:10   #
DickC Loc: NE Washington state
 
sodapop wrote:
Apples and Oranges. Both look great to me in their own way


I agree sir, 'The eye of the beholder', I just prefer B&W!

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Aug 24, 2021 08:45:01   #
Wes Loc: Dallas
 
I'm beginning to agree with my art instructors. A Texan, I had always preferred color, but this black and white here is the epitome of the old west. This may be the first black and white I've preferred. Great job.

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Aug 24, 2021 08:48:07   #
DickC Loc: NE Washington state
 
Wes wrote:
I'm beginning to agree with my art instructors. A Texan, I had always preferred color, but this black and white here is the epitome of the old west. This may be the first black and white I've preferred. Great job.


I agree with you 100%!!

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Aug 24, 2021 09:31:24   #
StanMac Loc: Tennessee
 
daldds wrote:
I was in Torrey, Utah in early August during their weird “monsoon” season. Another storm was forming as I finished dinner.
NIK “wet rocks” with modifications.
Notice how the black and white delineates the rain bands in the approaching storm.
There is no right or wrong to my questions: which do you like better, and why?


I like the B&W best - it’s a more dramatic image, IMO. That said, the color is a very good image. I can see either one in a nice size hanging on my wall.

Stan

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