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Aug 23, 2021 07:55:15   #
Chadp Loc: Virginia Beach
 
I am not sure you will be stepping up from an iPhone camera. I use Geniius scan on my iPhone. It automatically highlights the image outline, takes the pic and converts to pdf without my input. It will also save it as a jpg if you don’t want pdf. But pdf is usually preferred for documents. The only advantage I can think of in using a higher resolution camera and saving as an image file would be to show the imperfections or perhaps watermarks of the paper.

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Aug 23, 2021 08:21:26   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
I’m on Team Cellphone for this. Other than that I’d probably go with the 18-140 if all you need are the addresses. Unless it’s pretty dark it should work because high ISO shouldn’t be a problem.

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Aug 23, 2021 08:26:27   #
sb Loc: Florida's East Coast
 
Not sure what the ultimate use of these images will be. Another option: One of the Aps on my iPhone that I use most is TurboScan. It uses the iPhone camera to take three images, which it merges to optimize sharpness, and can then either create a jpg or a pdf file. These can be cropped in-Ap and then sent via message or email. I use this for receipts, contracts, etc., and then email the pdf files to store on my computer.

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Aug 23, 2021 08:44:44   #
E.L.. Shapiro Loc: Ottawa, Ontario Canada
 
Just Fred wrote:
Thanks everyone for your replies. Not surprisingly, thread creep occurred fairly early on. Not once did I mention having or using a scanner, so those who mentioned it, thanks for playing, but no. And, unsurprisingly also, I received recommendations to use each of the lenses I did mention (I wonder, if I'd included my 10-24mm 3.5-4.5 wide angle zoom would someone have recommended that as well?).

Returning to my original question: I am comfortable with any of the lenses. What is unknown are the conditions (light, space, angle, etc.) and the number of documents. I should add too, that I and one or two of my fellows are doing this in an office, possibly in a store room. We don't plan on being there long, just long enough to photograph the envelopes.
Thanks everyone for your replies. Not surprisingl... (show quote)



BYOL! Brig Your Own Lights. You really can't depend on the overhead lighting in a storeroom or office, etc. If you want even, clean, dependable and consistent light- do it right!

See this link for good inexpensive lighting gear:

https://smithvictor.com/product-category/lighting/lights/photoflood-lights/

If you get the clamp-on fixtures, all you need is a couple of chairs and a simple improvised copy board.

Don't use a wide-angle focal length. You won't need all that much space to copy envelopes with and normal or slightly longer lens.

Stick with one lens, do all the similar size envelopes in batches. Move the camera in and out to accommodate different size batches. Establish the exposure. If some pieces are faded or darker, bracket the exposure. Keep everything flat and parallel.

When you pose a question, folks will make well-meaning suggestions, some of which do not pertain to every word in your post. Scanners are frequently used in document reproduction. Using a camera for copy work and line-copy reproduction is a good alternative method if you do it correctly. At the end of the day, you are the final arbiter of which method and gear that you use.

2 lights, each at 45 degrees, equidistant for the subject. Check for even light with a meter.
A time-honoured method used by professional photographers, archivists, museums, etc.

Good luck with the project!

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Aug 23, 2021 08:46:33   #
fetzler Loc: North West PA
 
Just Fred wrote:
I have offered to assist in a legal research project, photographing documents (envelopes). The only requirement that I am aware of is that the address is legible.
I have several lenses for my Nikon D7500. My all-around go-to lens is a 18-140mm 3.5-5.6 zoom, and my brief tests suggest I can get a legible image from about six inches away from the subject. I also have a 35mm 1.8 prime lens and an 18-55mm 3.5-5.6 zoom.

What I don't know is what the lighting will be like. I'm inclined to use the prime lens, as it's faster in low-light situations. But the 18-55mm should provide more flexibility if I'm not able to get close enough to the subject.

Has anyone done work like this before? I should also note that it's unlikely I can set up a tripod, flash and other gear, so my offer is to give a step up from using a phone camera.

Hints? Ideas?
I have offered to assist in a legal research proje... (show quote)


For this task you want a macro lens. Macro lenses have a flat field of focus ( this results in a sharp center and edges). Macro lenses have no barrel or pincushion distortion. A copy stand with appropriate lighting is super handy too. For your 7500 the Nikkor 60, 85, or 105mm lens should work. I would likely choose the 85mm. The subject to camera position is determined by the focal length.

Zoom lenses usually have rather bad pincushion and barrel distortion.


Having said all of this, have you considered using a scanner or copy machine? This might be much easier.

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Aug 23, 2021 09:09:11   #
bobfitz Loc: Kendall-Miami, Florida
 
I use a Tamron 90mm f/2.8 Macro with great results.

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Aug 23, 2021 09:39:07   #
flasfill Loc: Sandy Springs GA
 
Suggest you consider an LED ring light. I purchased on a few years ago for less than $30.00. It came with several adapters so it mounts to moat all of my lenses, especially my 60mm macro.

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Aug 23, 2021 09:49:45   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
Just Fred wrote:
I have offered to assist in a legal research project, photographing documents (envelopes). The only requirement that I am aware of is that the address is legible.
I have several lenses for my Nikon D7500. My all-around go-to lens is a 18-140mm 3.5-5.6 zoom, and my brief tests suggest I can get a legible image from about six inches away from the subject. I also have a 35mm 1.8 prime lens and an 18-55mm 3.5-5.6 zoom.

What I don't know is what the lighting will be like. I'm inclined to use the prime lens, as it's faster in low-light situations. But the 18-55mm should provide more flexibility if I'm not able to get close enough to the subject.

Has anyone done work like this before? I should also note that it's unlikely I can set up a tripod, flash and other gear, so my offer is to give a step up from using a phone camera.

Hints? Ideas?
I have offered to assist in a legal research proje... (show quote)


I have decades of experience photographing everything from flat art to photos to book pages and covers to stamps and coins. The following assumes you want pro-grade images.

Here are the basics:

Keep your camera parallel to the envelopes (art, photos, film, whatever). Use a tripod or copy stand. Use the self-timer for two seconds to avoid vibrations (a real problem in macro work!).

Use two identical lights, one on each side of the art, equidistant, at a 45° angle. BE SURE they have a CRI of 95 or higher if you want the best color. I use a couple of Viltrox L-116t video LED panels (around $100 for the pair), but a pair of clamp lamps and 5500K LED bulbs from Home Depot will work okay in a pinch (I have used them). If your lights are adjustable like the Viltrox, choose maximum output and around 4400K. (That uses both the yellow and blue LEDs at close to full brightness.)

METER your lights all across the surface of your copy area. Get the exposure even to 1/6 stop if possible. You can use a hand-held meter if you have one, OR, photograph a sheet of white paper as large as the largest object you will photograph, and adjust the lights until the image looks perfectly even.

Use a short macro lens if you intend to do lots of this. They are FLAT FIELD, for extremely low distortion, and made to copy flat objects. On DX Nikons, that's a 40mm Micro Nikkor.

Alternatively, test the glass you have, and use the lens that gives you a combination of closest focus, least distortion, and sharpest image.

You need little to no depth of field, so stop down between two and three stops from wide open. That is most often the sharpest aperture on most lenses.

Set the lowest NORMAL ISO possible (no "extended range" ISO).

Compose your image. Focus. Then replace it with a photographic gray card (see below).

Adjust the shutter in FULL manual mode to get a normal exposure of a photographic gray card* (Delta-1 8x10 cards are around ten bucks at B&H or Adorama).

* The exposure is normal when you fill the frame or metering area with the gray card and make a test exposure that centers the spike of gray.

Use the gray card to perform a CUSTOM, or MANUAL, or PRESET white balance. Then check the exposure to be sure you have a narrow spike in the center of the histogram.

Do not change the exposure unless you raise or lower the camera relative to the art.

Copy it! Remove the gray card, put the art back, and fire away.

For quick-and-dirty work, JPEGs based on a custom white balance and manual gray card-metered exposure should be fine. If you want post-processing control, save raw files and post-process them.

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Aug 23, 2021 10:07:19   #
User ID
 
sb wrote:
Not sure what the ultimate use of these images will be. Another option: One of the Aps on my iPhone that I use most is TurboScan. It uses the iPhone camera to take three images, which it merges to optimize sharpness, and can then either create a jpg or a pdf file. These can be cropped in-Ap and then sent via message or email. I use this for receipts, contracts, etc., and then email the pdf files to store on my computer.

Three images merged for sharpness ? Mothball the SLR, get with the phone !

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Aug 23, 2021 10:20:12   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
User ID wrote:
Three images merged for sharpness ? Mothball the SLR, get with the phone !


Since the iPhone 7 Plus, the cameras in them do a GREAT job of casual close-up work. The phone has a built-in stabilizer that keeps the image sharp, even in normal room lighting. I use it all the time for grocery lists and wine bottle labels and appliance nameplates (serial and model numbers).

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Aug 23, 2021 10:32:46   #
mrmal Loc: Saskatoon, Sask, Canada
 
Scanner Pro app on your iPhone. Fast, easy to use and god results without any shadow effect .

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Aug 23, 2021 11:04:06   #
Modnar Loc: Batley' West Yorkshire, UK
 
This is not an answer to your question but the suggestion for an alternative. The Czur device is a terrific piece of kit for rapidly scanning documents of varying sorts rapidly and accurately. I have had one for a year now and find it indispensable.

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Aug 23, 2021 11:24:03   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
Just Fred wrote:
I have offered to assist in a legal research project, photographing documents (envelopes). The only requirement that I am aware of is that the address is legible.
I have several lenses for my Nikon D7500. My all-around go-to lens is a 18-140mm 3.5-5.6 zoom, and my brief tests suggest I can get a legible image from about six inches away from the subject. I also have a 35mm 1.8 prime lens and an 18-55mm 3.5-5.6 zoom.

What I don't know is what the lighting will be like. I'm inclined to use the prime lens, as it's faster in low-light situations. But the 18-55mm should provide more flexibility if I'm not able to get close enough to the subject.

Has anyone done work like this before? I should also note that it's unlikely I can set up a tripod, flash and other gear, so my offer is to give a step up from using a phone camera.

Hints? Ideas?
I have offered to assist in a legal research proje... (show quote)


You are correct lots of answers.
Looks like limited time for some reason.
Use your and 18-55mm 3.5-5.6 zoom.
Before going in for the real thing do this at home and practice hand holding seeing as a tripod is not an option.
Then you will see what YOUR capability is doing this.
Then for laughs do the same thing with your cell phone.
Lighting will only be an issue if it is nearly totally dark and you need an ISO so high that the address becomes illegible.
This is not fine art but quick and dirty recording legible information.
I do similar things with my cell phone and camera with a 24-105mm to record panel box schedules and data and HVAC units data panels.
Some rooms are not lighted as the building is shut down and the flash works great.
Bottom line what you have will work wonderfully for the quick acquisition of data and remember, practice at home first.

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Aug 23, 2021 12:12:11   #
peter.zimmerman
 
Many years ago I did a lot of this for a project on early ballistic missiles, V2 and some US birds. I did use a genuine Minox and copy stand and AGFA microfilm (copex). I was working from first generation drawings. Were I doing it again, I would get a good quality macro lens that fit my system.

Balanced lighting, left to right, is crucial; if you don’t know the power situation, invest in a couple of battery powered ones. You’ll use them more than you think. If you have hundreds of shots to make your back will thank you for a copy stand.

Pardon typos; I’m in the hospital for at least another week, and have lines and tubes entangling my extremities.

Why the Minox? A) Fun and B) I had to sneak in the camera;the archive made money selling xerox copies. The Smithsonian had no such hangups.

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Aug 23, 2021 12:38:34   #
fetzler Loc: North West PA
 
Just Fred wrote:
Thanks everyone for your replies. Not surprisingly, thread creep occurred fairly early on. Not once did I mention having or using a scanner, so those who mentioned it, thanks for playing, but no. And, unsurprisingly also, I received recommendations to use each of the lenses I did mention (I wonder, if I'd included my 10-24mm 3.5-4.5 wide angle zoom would someone have recommended that as well?).

Returning to my original question: I am comfortable with any of the lenses. What is unknown are the conditions (light, space, angle, etc.) and the number of documents. I should add too, that I and one or two of my fellows are doing this in an office, possibly in a store room. We don't plan on being there long, just long enough to photograph the envelopes.
Thanks everyone for your replies. Not surprisingl... (show quote)


The reason you got a recommendation for all of your lenses is that they all suck for this purpose. Zoom lenses have lots of barrel and pincushion distortion and the 35mm lens may not focus close enough and has a short working distance.

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