jerryc41 wrote:
I like watching all sorts of airplane videos on YouTube. One thing I've learned from them is that I could never be a pilot.
"Trnlfthedg325andclmto250."
Pilots and controllers talk too fast. I think pilot/controller conversations are the most important in the world, yet they talk as fast as they can and clip some words. Okay, maybe the controllers are busy, and they talk fast to keep up with all the pilots. If I didn't watch with closed cations turned on, I wouldn't have any idea what they ere talking about.
All international conversations are conducted in English, and foreign pilots have crashed because of their weak English skills. I'm sure that fast talking doesn't help.
An idea just occurred to me. Pilots and controllers should put on a stage play, speaking as they do on the job. They could get through a two-hour play in fifteen minutes.
I like watching all sorts of airplane videos on Yo... (
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It becomes second nature to pilots...as they gain experience.
They don't 'think' about it...and you would not either...after a while.
But it would be fun at parties...
When I was living in my home country, England, a friend introduced me to gliding. That was back in the late 70s. Later on I migrated to power flying and much later on to an Instrument Rating. I had shares in a Trinidad and a Piper Super Cub.
Air Traffic Control, ATC, jargon very quickly becomes very easy to comprehend.
When I moved to the USA, first to Payson, AZ, I thought it would it would be straightforward to get a US Licence but not at all. It meant studying for my PPL all over again. I decided it was time to stop but still miss it especially the gliding. My son is a senior Captain with First Choice.
It’s impossible for me not to look up when I hear the sound of an aircraft. That’s quite common as we live close to Grants Pass airport in Oregon.
Learning aviation language (the vocabulary isn't that large) is worth it. The reward is that you get to fly.
davidrb
Loc: Half way there on the 45th Parallel
ncribble wrote:
Jerry, as an old Air Force Instructor pilot I appreciate the morning chuckle. Air communication is not 'Howdy Doody' time and as in each craft there is a jargon of its own. It is not difficult, but is specific.
David, I think I had your Aggie as one of my students. :)
May God bless Aggies cause nobody else wants to. Until I met "Mike" I never knew Texas A & M gave every graduate their own bucket of mud. Why? you might ask. Simple, A & M wants each Grad to be able to think after they leave campus..........
If you don’t understand what the controller said, you reply”Say again.” That usually gets them to slow down a bit as they repeat the instruction. And, as others have said, you usually know what to expect and when to expect it.
I was learning to fly while stationed in Okinawa. On the way to training area alpha Kadena AFB approach control called. "Cessna870beadvisedfourF-4'satyourtwelveinboundcallonsight". My poor little airplane shook like a wet puppy when the Phantom jets flew under me from their turbulence. At that point I realized I am a mud Marine not an aviator. BTW it was my last flight.
I was learning to fly while stationed in Okinawa. As my instructor and I headed to the training area Kadena approach control called us. "Cessna970beadvisedfourF-4approachingatyourtwelvecallonsight". I never saw them but I knew that had gone by as their wash shook my poor little airplane like a puppy shaking off water. I then realized as a mud Marine I had no reason to be motoring around in the sky. BTW, while memorable, that was my last flight.
"Kadena tower, close me out please"
Not Ansel.
Talk about having the last word. Brian gives a good presentation and if you can find it listen to the full hour presentation. It is well worth the hour.
jerryc41 wrote:
I like watching all sorts of airplane videos on YouTube. One thing I've learned from them is that I could never be a pilot.
"Trnlfthedg325andclmto250."
Pilots and controllers talk too fast. I think pilot/controller conversations are the most important in the world, yet they talk as fast as they can and clip some words. Okay, maybe the controllers are busy, and they talk fast to keep up with all the pilots. If I didn't watch with closed cations turned on, I wouldn't have any idea what they ere talking about.
All international conversations are conducted in English, and foreign pilots have crashed because of their weak English skills. I'm sure that fast talking doesn't help.
An idea just occurred to me. Pilots and controllers should put on a stage play, speaking as they do on the job. They could get through a two-hour play in fifteen minutes.
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Jerry. Go over to old Rhinebeck they can teach you to fly with out all the chatter.
That gobbled d gook says. “Turn left to heading 325. & climb to flight level 250”. Not that hard but good hearing does help. You can do it.
Wow, can't believe it. I learned to fly at Torrance CA (TOA) in 1977 and early 78. At that time it was arguably the busiest general aviation airport in the country. Other than my instructors going off the the airlines, all went well. I got my license and moved up to Northern Santa Barbara County. Commuted to work by air and did a lot of flying for business meetings for 7+ years. That is when I really learned to fly. Now at nearly 84 I fly for fun and to visit family.
There is no reason not to experience the joy of flight! You will get a great new perspective of the areas you fly over, and the flight lingo comes easily after a time! It is like a time machine!
As a former US Airfoce controller- it becomes second nature and your ears learn quickly on how to listen. Sometimes with different languages and dialects it can be a problem.
My solution: I flew gliders for 12 years in uncontrolled airspace. I spoke to ATC exactly twice, when they put a trailer on a gliderport so they could launch firefighting aircraft: once for takeoff and once for landing.
I took a power private pilot acquaintance for a glider ride and he was amazed at the freedom from ATC. We talked on the radio to other gliders, but that’s all. (He was a little freaked out that gliders fly within a few hundred feet of each other, but he got over it when we started climbing a thermal together.)
It's not fast speaking, rather it is concise and specific. If you listen closely you will hear all ATC instructions and clearances are ALWAYS repeated by the pilot back to ATC. And yes. foreign English speakers sometimes have communication difficulties.
rsworden wrote:
My solution: I flew gliders for 12 years in uncontrolled airspace. I spoke to ATC exactly twice, when they put a trailer on a gliderport so they could launch firefighting aircraft: once for takeoff and once for landing.
I took a power private pilot acquaintance for a glider ride and he was amazed at the freedom from ATC. We talked on the radio to other gliders, but that’s all. (He was a little freaked out that gliders fly within a few hundred feet of each other, but he got over it when we started climbing a thermal together.)
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Climbing a few thousand feet in a thermal sharing the rising air with other gliders and soaring birds is a memory that I will take to the grave. I so, so wish there was a sailplane club somewhere near Merlin in Southern Oregon!
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