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Trading D 850 kit for new Z6II or Canon EOS R or R6
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Jul 22, 2021 12:15:04   #
Bridges Loc: Memphis, Charleston SC, now Nazareth PA
 
Bullfrog Bill wrote:
I'm getting tired of lugging my D 850 kit and want to lighten the load. Even with a 24-120 f4 it becomes a bear and is large. For the Z6 II my basic kit would be a 24-70 f4, (replacing my existing 24-70 f 2.8/24-120 f4) and the 24-200 f4-6.3 replacing my 70-200 f 2.8 (no Nikon 70-200 f4 in the works) and I would continue to share an 80-400 f4-5.6 with my wife.

Then I read an article by Ken Rockwell that recommended switching to Canon Either the EOS R or R6 with a better lens system including the 24-105 f4 and 70-200 f4. The EOS R would be essentially an even trade while the EOS R6 would cost an additional $1,200. Weight of the two new systems is a non-issue.

I'm primarily a landscape/ travel photographer with some wildlife. Will I miss the D 850 45 pixels? The newer R6 only has 20 MP while the older R has 30 while the Z6 II has 24 MP.

I would love to hear from some that have made this leap.
I'm getting tired of lugging my D 850 kit and want... (show quote)


If you are convinced you need to change, Do Not trade your D850. All these camera shops give a fraction of worth for used equipment. Sell your equipment here on UHH as we have many reputable members willing to pay a fair price for used equipment. You will end up with more dollars to put into a new purchase if you do this.

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Jul 22, 2021 12:28:50   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
joecichjr wrote:
Eye-catchingly beautiful duo ✳️🏆🏆✳️


Thanks, I usually do not take my big stuff on tour. But for our Viking tour of Iceland I made an exception. I also took a polarizing filter for the 24-120. With 22 hours of daylight and 2 hours of twilight, there was no shortage of photo opportunities to take advantage of. I recommend this tour to anyone interesting in Iceland. We sailed around the Island in 7 days and made 7 ports of call.

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Jul 22, 2021 15:23:14   #
gouldopfl
 
I would disagree. Canon's EF-RF adapter was over engineered and I think that they are in short supply even if you can get one. My EF mount lenses on my RF camera perform better than they did on my EF mount camera. I think that Canon realized this and the adapter was keeping many people from switching mounts.

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Jul 22, 2021 15:33:04   #
scubadoc Loc: Sarasota, FL
 
gouldopfl wrote:
I would disagree. Canon's EF-RF adapter was over engineered and I think that they are in short supply even if you can get one. My EF mount lenses on my RF camera perform better than they did on my EF mount camera. I think that Canon realized this and the adapter was keeping many people from switching mounts.


Can you clarify your post, please. What does “over-engineered” mean. It does what it is supposed to do, with 4 different models: simple EF-RF adapter, EF-RF+Control Ring, EF-RF+polarizing filter, and EF-RF+neutral density filter. They are in short supply because of the number of R5 and R6 bodies sold with most buyers having a stable full of EF lenses. Unless there is a RF lens not available in the EF series (100-500 RF Zoom vs 100-400 EF zoom), most are staying with their EF glass. How does the adapter keep people from switching mounts, or do you mean buying new RF lenses?

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Jul 22, 2021 16:52:11   #
CO
 
I rented the Nikon Z6 II. It's great but the grip is shorter than most cameras. I thought, when I purchase one, I would get this Meike grip for it to extend the grip a little.


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Jul 22, 2021 18:07:57   #
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DaveyDitzer wrote:
I have a recently purchased D850, and have a Df and a D5300 and a pocket Nikon. I've found that I can match the size and weight to my "mission" for the day. I plan to use the D850 more like a larger format camera, i.e., tripod and more sturdy set up. Hand holding all day is more than my damaged shoulders can manage now.

Thaz how I see it as well, my 50MP SLR is for very intentional work. As with you, it’s my large format outfit. All of that earlier discussion about “only one extra pound” is just not true, except in the contrived circumstance in which those claimants force it to be true.

My Z-body plus its 15/35/90 lens kit is admittedly also contrived ... I wanted a minimal FF kit so I gathered one using Leica-fit lenses of modest apertures.

My “large format” kit with any trio of its many lenses is almost triple the weight of the Z with it’s trio. The LF kit is also not built of high speed lenses, but SLR prime lenses are typically a stop faster than my tiny Leica-fit trio for the Z.

There is acoarst no way to “reverse contrive” these two kits. You cannot adapt the tiny trio to any SLR.

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Jul 23, 2021 06:59:00   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
CO wrote:
I rented the Nikon Z6 II. It's great but the grip is shorter than most cameras. I thought, when I purchase one, I would get this Meike grip for it to extend the grip a little.


I extended the base with a piece of zebra wood on my Z6. At the time a few people laughed and asked what I did with my film cameras which were just as short. After looking a pictures of the Z fc I realized that with old film cameras you are not curling your fingers around a grip. I held my FM2 and my Z6 and it is a totally different feel.

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Jul 23, 2021 08:03:43   #
Bullfrog Bill Loc: CT
 
Just to let everybody who tried to be helpful, following are my conclusions:
1.Similar F-mount and Z lenses aren't materially different in weight
2. Nikon has yet to announce a release date 24-105 or 70-200 f 4 Z lens which would best fit my style
3. Switching to Canon which does have the lenses I would want would be expensive (over $1,000) due to all the accessories required like memory, batteries, flash gear etc.
4. Body weight savings from D 850 to Z is about 1/2 lb.
5.The real savings available is by moving from f 2.8 glass to f 4 glass

I am keeping my D 850 and sold my f 2.8 f 24-70 and 70 -200 and bought a 70=200 f4. My kit now includes 16-35 f 4, 24-120 f 4 and 70-200 f4. As a landscape / nature photographer 2.8 is seldom/never used other than for focusing in low light so I don't value it.

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Jul 23, 2021 09:01:08   #
larryepage Loc: North Texas area
 
Bullfrog Bill wrote:
Just to let everybody who tried to be helpful, following are my conclusions:
1.Similar F-mount and Z lenses aren't materially different in weight
2. Nikon has yet to announce a release date 24-105 or 70-200 f 4 Z lens which would best fit my style
3. Switching to Canon which does have the lenses I would want would be expensive (over $1,000) due to all the accessories required like memory, batteries, flash gear etc.
4. Body weight savings from D 850 to Z is about 1/2 lb.
5.The real savings available is by moving from f 2.8 glass to f 4 glass

I am keeping my D 850 and sold my f 2.8 f 24-70 and 70 -200 and bought a 70=200 f4. My kit now includes 16-35 f 4, 24-120 f 4 and 70-200 f4. As a landscape / nature photographer 2.8 is seldom/never used other than for focusing in low light so I don't value it.
Just to let everybody who tried to be helpful, fol... (show quote)


Thanks for letting us know what you decided. And best wishes as you continue your photographic journey.

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Jul 23, 2021 11:09:18   #
DaveyDitzer Loc: Western PA
 
Bullfrog Bill wrote:
Just to let everybody who tried to be helpful, following are my conclusions:
1.Similar F-mount and Z lenses aren't materially different in weight
2. Nikon has yet to announce a release date 24-105 or 70-200 f 4 Z lens which would best fit my style
3. Switching to Canon which does have the lenses I would want would be expensive (over $1,000) due to all the accessories required like memory, batteries, flash gear etc.
4. Body weight savings from D 850 to Z is about 1/2 lb.
5.The real savings available is by moving from f 2.8 glass to f 4 glass

I am keeping my D 850 and sold my f 2.8 f 24-70 and 70 -200 and bought a 70=200 f4. My kit now includes 16-35 f 4, 24-120 f 4 and 70-200 f4. As a landscape / nature photographer 2.8 is seldom/never used other than for focusing in low light so I don't value it.
Just to let everybody who tried to be helpful, fol... (show quote)


Minor nit. The D850 weighs about 32 oz and the Zfc about 14oz, difference being a pound. The special compact lens offered in the Zfc kit is very light. Otherwise, yes the weight is in the lenses especially in a lightweight body.

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