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Jul 8, 2021 08:51:07   #
fergmark Loc: norwalk connecticut
 
jburlinson wrote:
Thank you for sharing a nice sampler of water photos. In some the water is foreground, in others background. Some tell a tale of action, others a tale of serenity. Color is big in some, absent in others. Some strictly representational, others with more or less degrees of abstraction.

Really nice gallery!

I hope you're wrong in your prognostication, though. It seems to me that there should be quite a few folks who will have an interest in participating. Perhaps this series can become like My Image, Your View, with a pretty dedicated cast of characters.
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I hope I am wrong too. It has become increasingly difficult to find areas within UHH that I find meaningful.

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Jul 8, 2021 09:27:59   #
jburlinson Loc: Austin, TX
 
fergmark wrote:
I hope I am wrong too. It has become increasingly difficult to find areas within UHH that I find meaningful.


I hear you. I typically only scan the "main" page for topics (which can be frustrating since folks sometimes don't provide very descriptive titles). Since many of these deal with equipment I don't have, not much joy there. PLus there's a discouraging amount of repetition; but that's common with forums of all types.

I do like this group -- FYC. I guess that's because there is the weekly MIYV, plus what used to be the "masters" monthly topic. I suppose this series will take the place of that. But it will only work if people take the time and trouble to participate: by which I mean (1) share images and (2) provide a bit more discussion/evaluation than can be typical of other groups.

This can be difficult, I know. Time is precious, and it takes time to try to say something meaningful, especially if, like me, a person may not be as visually literate as I'd like to be. But I won't get any better at it if I don't try.

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Jul 8, 2021 09:52:37   #
minniev Loc: MIssissippi
 
jburlinson wrote:
I hear you. I typically only scan the "main" page for topics (which can be frustrating since folks sometimes don't provide very descriptive titles). Since many of these deal with equipment I don't have, not much joy there. PLus there's a discouraging amount of repetition; but that's common with forums of all types.

I do like this group -- FYC. I guess that's because there is the weekly MIYV, plus what used to be the "masters" monthly topic. I suppose this series will take the place of that. But it will only work if people take the time and trouble to participate: by which I mean (1) share images and (2) provide a bit more discussion/evaluation than can be typical of other groups.

This can be difficult, I know. Time is precious, and it takes time to try to say something meaningful, especially if, like me, a person may not be as visually literate as I'd like to be. But I won't get any better at it if I don't try.
I hear you. I typically only scan the "main&... (show quote)


We started the FYC section to try and fill a gap we saw on UHH - the scarcity of meaningful discussion, beyond “nice shot”, beyond just posting a photo to share, beyond technical critique, beyond gear squabbles. So many of us don’t have the option of a photography club or group in our own home area. The conversation about this hobby we share is what sparks new ideas and promotes growth.

Yes, this is an option going forward to replace the Masters thread, which had shrunk in participation rather dramatically. We hope we can nurture it into life and promote those conversations about our work. Glad to know a few folks also enjoy the conversation!

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Jul 8, 2021 10:10:10   #
fergmark Loc: norwalk connecticut
 
ebrunner wrote:
Thank you for your post. It takes us in many different directions. Since the topic will last one month, I certainly did not want all discussions to revolve around the first post of the topic. You have many different ways to look at the topic. Fast moving, tranquil, just waves as an abstract, frozen, frothy. Great selection. Thanks for giving us something to ponder.
Erich


As it so happened, one of my best friends is, and always has been an artist, whose focus transitioned, some twenty years ago, from portraiture to water paintings. In his youth he was involved in competitive kayaking which took him around the country and even to Europe. He says that his interest in water stems from that. His enthusiasm for shooting water he shared with me, and really opened my eyes. I enthusiastically went out with him shooting water and it became a personal adventure. He told me if he painted one of my shots, he would give me twenty percent of all sales of the paintings. He had some really big sellers that were in continual demand, but after painting the same image some fifty times, he felt he needed to move on and explore different ideas. He only used one of my images, and even though I think I have some fine shots of water, my own efforts generally couldn't hold a candle to his, and I was mostly exploring ground he had already covered. So I do consider him to be the most accomplished photographer of water that I have ever seen, within the semiabstract range that he was painting. More recently he connected with a gallery who has been buying primarily seascape paintings. I have always liked these paintings a great deal, and encouraged him to do more of them, but he would always say that they just don't sell. Anyway I am including this cell phone shot that I took one day this past February of one of these paintings in progress. Hope this narrative has not strayed too far afield. The whole point I think, is that the subject of water, even in the narrow categories such as my friend paints in, can be all consuming and productive for a good part of a lifetime. As for myself, rather than to compete with his imagery, I have pursued more abstract water images, and follow my great fascination with ice formations. But not strictly so. Another interest I pursued at the other end of things was the use of an ND filter. I currently do not own one for the appropriate lens in my now Nikon gear, but I think about it, so one of these days I will likely get one.


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Jul 8, 2021 10:40:56   #
fergmark Loc: norwalk connecticut
 
minniev wrote:
I appreciate the moderators for coming up with a new concept thread to further what we started in the 5 year run of the Monthy Masters' Critique. I had explored every avenue I could think up, and it was time for me to sit down a while! This concept thread is a logical extension of the Masters', with more focus on the participants' own work. I hope all members will join in to support it, and help shape it into something everyone can enjoy!

Like most outdoor photographers, I am fascinated with the many ways we can capture images of water, from stop-action to blurred "cotton candy", reflections, abstracts, close-ups, you name it. The majority of my water images are with high shutter speeds to capture detail, but I will try just about anything. Here's a couple. The first, shot with this thread in mind, was taken in Yosemite last week. It's pretty obvious what landform I wanted to get, but I also wanted its reflection and a human or two enjoying the cool Merced on this 100+ degree afternoon. The second shot, taken last fall in the TN mountains, was kind of raggedy looking with stop-action, so I tried slow shutter and it seemed better that way. At this point in my journey, I operate a lot on look and feel rather than formulas or other folks' images of that scene- take a shot, figure out why I like or don't like it, try something else with settings that will give me another look, take the versions into the computer to experiment with editing that I've usually imagined while on site. I've noticed that I like "smooth" water more if there's some kind of cascading effect to give me more contrasting elements within the water part of the composition rather than have a wad of "white stuff" all bunched together.
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I don't know whether to believe the PS info figures on the waterfall shot. Im not sure if its reliability. It says .6 seconds. Looks pretty reasonable. Its a lovely result.

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Jul 8, 2021 11:57:39   #
minniev Loc: MIssissippi
 
fergmark wrote:
I don't know whether to believe the PS info figures on the waterfall shot. Im not sure if its reliability. It says .6 seconds. Looks pretty reasonable. Its a lovely result.


Sounds about right. I didn’t have my tripod and that’s about as far as I go handholding such shots. I hate tripods, which is probably why I abuse them, never seem to remember to take mine along, or can’t find it. I broke my best one during the winter, and constructed a makeshift one out of salvaged parts from it and 2 more, but haven’t used the Frankenstein one much yet.

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Jul 8, 2021 11:58:53   #
JD750 Loc: SoCal
 
jburlinson wrote:
OK. I tried it that way. Better?


I made a suggestion based on your comment “I'm not sure my goal was worth pursuing”.

It doesn’t matter what I like. The question is do you like it better?

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Jul 8, 2021 12:18:35   #
R.G. Loc: Scotland
 
One of my favourite water effects to include in a shot is reflections. Good ones can lift a shot to another level. It helps if what's being reflected is a strong subject visually, but even without that, reflections are often pleasing in their own right. Very often a scene that we've seen a hundred ways already can be given a lift and a new twist if it includes a visually appealing reflection.

As my posted examples show, reflections can be clear and accurate inversions of the reflected subject (as in #3), but they don't have to be in order to be visually appealing. Often it's enough if the reflections consists of light, colours, shapes and textures, as in #1, #2 and #4 below.

Good reflections are very dependent on circumstance and I haven't at this point in time got any new or recent reflection shots, but if that changes before the end of the month I'll post what I've found. I think one of the ideas of this series is that it encourages us to go out and shoot new stuff, but our posted examples don't have to exclude archive stuff.
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Jul 8, 2021 12:29:29   #
JD750 Loc: SoCal
 
R.G. wrote:
One of my favourite water effects to include in a shot is reflections. Good ones can lift a shot to another level. It helps if what's being reflected is a strong subject visually, but even without that, reflections are often pleasing in their own right. Very often a scene that we've seen a hundred ways already can be given a lift and a new twist if it includes a visually appealing reflection.

As my posted examples show, reflections can be clear and accurate inversions of the reflected subject (as in #3), but they don't have to be in order to be visually appealing. Often it's enough if the reflections consists of light, colours, shapes and textures, as in #1, #2 and #4 below.

Good reflections are very dependent on circumstance and I haven't at this point in time got any new or recent reflection shots, but if that changes before the end of the month I'll post what I've found. I think one of the ideas of this series is that it encourages us to go out and shoot new stuff, but our posted examples don't have to exclude archive stuff.
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I love reflections. Nice work!

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Jul 8, 2021 12:49:52   #
R.G. Loc: Scotland
 
JD750 wrote:
I love reflections. Nice work!


Thanks. Good ones don't come our way very often.

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Jul 8, 2021 13:20:22   #
JD750 Loc: SoCal
 
R.G. wrote:
Thanks. Good ones don't come our way very often.



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Jul 9, 2021 13:07:52   #
R.G. Loc: Scotland
 
minniev wrote:
...Like most outdoor photographers, I am fascinated with the many ways we can capture images of water, from stop-action to blurred "cotton candy", reflections, abstracts, close-ups, you name it. The majority of my water images are with high shutter speeds to capture detail, but I will try just about anything. Here's a couple. The first, shot with this thread in mind, was taken in Yosemite last week. It's pretty obvious what landform I wanted to get, but I also wanted its reflection and a human or two enjoying the cool Merced on this 100+ degree afternoon. The second shot, taken last fall in the TN mountains, was kind of raggedy looking with stop-action, so I tried slow shutter and it seemed better that way. At this point in my journey, I operate a lot on look and feel rather than formulas or other folks' images of that scene- take a shot, figure out why I like or don't like it, try something else with settings that will give me another look, take the versions into the computer to experiment with editing that I've usually imagined while on site. I've noticed that I like "smooth" water more if there's some kind of cascading effect to give me more contrasting elements within the water part of the composition rather than have a wad of "white stuff" all bunched together.
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Both shots are awesome, but I'll give #1 a special mention because reflections play a significant role in the composition. Apart from the fact that the reflections add significantly to the visual appeal of the shot, the bright part acts as an eye-catcher which leads the eye into the shot. I thought that was worth a mention because true to your usual form it's a "kitchen sink" sort of shot and there's all sorts of good stuff apart from the reflections which compete for our attention.

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Jul 9, 2021 18:56:31   #
minniev Loc: MIssissippi
 
R.G. wrote:
Both shots are awesome, but I'll give #1 a special mention because reflections play a significant role in the composition. Apart from the fact that the reflections add significantly to the visual appeal of the shot, the bright part acts as an eye-catcher which leads the eye into the shot. I thought that was worth a mention because true to your usual form it's a "kitchen sink" sort of shot and there's all sorts of good stuff apart from the reflections which compete for our attention.


Thanks RG. You know I can’t help doing that kitchen sink thing! I like having all that extra stuff and finding something to tie it together. Some of my favorite extra stuff in that photo is the rocks that show up in the dark reflections. That water is clear as glass.

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Jul 10, 2021 15:14:38   #
ebrunner Loc: New Jersey Shore
 
CassidyMariya wrote:
I took these images with my iPhone. They both were from seaside boardwalk.

1) I like this image but I feel it’s a little to dark. I didn’t use a filter. Although I do like how the seagull is flying in the air in this shot.

2) I love this image but I don’t know how to get the white on the bottom to blend in with the rest of the water. I changed the sky to a purple. As you can see I also had the lights from the houses show on the water as well.

I hope you love these pictures as much as I do! Thanks!
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Both of these photos deal with the topic of water, and that is good. I think you noticed that there are a million different ways that photographers can grapple with that topic. I really enjoyed your first shot is is an iconic "Jersey Shore" photo and the seagull is wonderful. In your second shot, you seem to be venturing into the interpretive or more abstract realm. Nice use of reflections to emphasize the water. I prefer your first shot; but I applaud your experimentation in the second shot. It is that experimentation that can lead us to a place we had not even thought about. Experimenting with ideas you had not tried before is also a very good way to keep your photography new and exciting.

I will add that you have progressed a great deal in your photography; but you must start paying attention to thinks like horizons. I have a very hard time getting my horizons level when I am shooting without a tripod. It is a very easy post processing fix. Good work here Cassidy.

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Jul 10, 2021 16:59:51   #
JD750 Loc: SoCal
 
ebrunner wrote:
I have a very hard time getting my horizons level when I am shooting without a tripod. It is a very easy post processing fix. Good work here Cassidy.


Doesn’t your camera have a horizon indicator? If you use that you can get it level in camera.

If you get it level in-camera that saves time and having to fuss with it on the computer. Also sometimes you lose some of the composition when straightening it on the computer.

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