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Jun 23, 2021 18:46:43   #
peter.zimmerman
 
… In reply to people who said they processed Kodachrome themselves.

How? Kodachrome processed to color images required a very specialized laboratory. There probably weren’t 25 such in the USA, total.

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Jun 23, 2021 18:48:17   #
peter.zimmerman
 
David Martin wrote:
Well how about this definition:
A composite image is made from two or more photographs which are combined to make one image.
Is it art? Sure, why not.
Is it "photography"? In a broad sense, yes.
But it is no longer "a photograph", which is a singular entity.
It's an image, akin to a painting, drawing, sculpture, etc.
Which is not to criticize nor detract from its value. It's just not a photograph.


Exactly the point I was trying to make in my first post on this topic. Thanks.

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Jun 23, 2021 18:51:45   #
peter.zimmerman
 
User ID wrote:
You said “true photograph” in your second sentence. Therefore the rest of your post is drivel. No, I did not read anything past the second sentence.


You are entitled to your uninformed opinion. If you refused to read the whole post, you obviously didn’t know what I was trying to say.

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Jun 23, 2021 18:52:59   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
In the field or in my studio, I enjoy composing, framing, and exposing the photograph to flatter the main subject. Pressing the shutter button thrills me each time.
After, I process the photograph primarily to bring out its potential.

To say more involves preference, argument, and dogma.

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Jun 23, 2021 18:56:23   #
JohnSwanda Loc: San Francisco
 
peter.zimmerman wrote:
Agree completely. If you make a montage, you have to disclose that the scene doesn’t exist in real life.


As a matter of fact, I, or any other photographer, don't have to disclose anything. There is no law, or even an ethical requirement to disclose how I make my photos, as long as I am doing artistic/creative photography. If you are doing documentary, photojournalism, or forensic photography it is unethical to make montages/composite photographs, so there is no disclosure needed.

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Jun 23, 2021 19:15:15   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
The whole point of taking pictures is so that you don’t have to explain things with words.

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Jun 23, 2021 19:31:38   #
pocotoo
 
User ID wrote:
Dictionaries tend to get right to the point. Clearly, you don’t know how to use them. You only know how to “look stuff up”.


Your response tells all the kind of person you are. You would be one I would not consider listening to.

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Jun 23, 2021 19:33:24   #
pocotoo
 
Bill_de wrote:
You didn't have far to look. Bob posted it yesterday.

You could have just posted a link.

For your info, forum rules say do not type in caps. Most folks consider it rude.

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Thanks for the tips, Bill. I appreciate them.

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Jun 23, 2021 19:36:12   #
pocotoo
 
David Martin wrote:
Well how about this definition:
A composite image is made from two or more photographs which are combined to make one image.
Is it art? Sure, why not.
Is it "photography"? In a broad sense, yes.
But it is no longer "a photograph", which is a singular entity.
It's an image, akin to a painting, drawing, sculpture, etc.
Which is not to criticize nor detract from its value. It's just not a photograph.


Thank you.

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Jun 23, 2021 19:37:38   #
pocotoo
 
neillaubenthal wrote:
Typical BS.



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Jun 23, 2021 19:40:49   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
lensmaster wrote:
People....get over yourselves.

KNOWING every adjustment, focus point, filter, tweak and adjustment does not make the image better...it does not lead to better understanding, better appreciation, better visual experience.
A photographic image stands on its own. You like it, you don't like it. It means something to you or it doesn't. It looks good or it doesn't.....and all of that is your personal response.

This string reminds me of the psuedo-intellectuals in the 40's-50's who sat around picking apart poems and books. Each trying to sound more 'intellectual' than the other...

Nitpicking an image is a complete waste of time. Trying to minutely figure out the technique or style of a particular photographer completely ignores and destroys the impact of the final image.

Studying an image to see what has been done and perhaps what you might learn from the technique is one thing. We all do that. Critiquing for the sake of critiquing is self serving and meaningless.

You have absolutely no idea as to what the photographer actually 'saw', or wanted to express. None..zero. The image is their vision, their interpretation, their statement. Who are you to question or critique, or pass judgement as to what 'should' or 'shouldn't' be done.

And, if post processing is used, SO WHAT!!!!! Really...so what.
People....get over yourselves. br br KNOWING ever... (show quote)


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Jun 23, 2021 19:47:32   #
Sidwalkastronomy Loc: New Jersey Shore
 
Who appointed all these people in charge of my photographs?

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Jun 23, 2021 19:52:49   #
epd1947
 
sb wrote:
Creating great photographs used to require an understanding of light and of composition. Mastering the functions of your camera was essential. For nature photography putting yourself in the right place at the right time, along with a measure of good luck, was also required. Sometimes the results were good, often they were marginal, and occasionally they were great. Great patience was required.

Now we have cameras that will automatically focus on the eye of an animal - even a bird in flight. Taking a 20-shot-per-second series of photos of a bird in flight allows the "photographer" to select the best of dozens of photos - perfect timing, the ability to keep the bird in focus, or good luck is not required. I see snippets taken from what is essentially a video or posts of a sequence of multiple photos of a bird landing or a bird taking flight and I think to myself: "If I wanted a video I would have gone to YouTube".

The last few days we have seen folks singing the praises of sky replacement. Maybe "bird replacement" or "model replacement" will be next (certainly done in the advertising world). But should such dramatically altered photos be posted here without disclaimer? This is a long way from dodging and burning.

Some Hoggers love to splice in a sunset or sunrise into a photo where none previously existed. This is frequently not acknowledged - I always look closely at the light and shadows in the rest of the photo and when I see light and/or shadow that are impossible given the angle of the setting/rising sun I cannot decide whether to laugh or be angry.

Call me a Luddite if you will. Maybe I am slightly envious of the final results of such deceptive skills. But I try to resist the lure (well... I admit that the eye-focus thing gives me a little GAS...)
Creating great photographs used to require an unde... (show quote)


Should the photographer be required to “disclose” manipulations he or she may have used? For photos as art - the answer is no. Why should they? Does everyone need to adhere to some measure of purity to satisfy you? Does the painter have to disclose details about the types of paints used, brushes or palette knives, etc. used to apply the paint. How about a disclaimer that he or she did not paint in any clouds or coloration not in the actual scene as the painting was being created. Photography is a creative art form - restrictive rules are not needed or even appropriate. The only place I would draw a line on “manipulation” would be in the area of photojournalism where truth and objectivity should be a must.

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Jun 23, 2021 19:53:46   #
Curmudgeon Loc: SE Arizona
 
This has been a fun thread so far. Don't start trolling it now

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Jun 23, 2021 19:58:35   #
Blair Shaw Jr Loc: Dunnellon,Florida
 
pendennis wrote:
While dodging, burning, etc. are all recognized darkroom techniques, the film era was very much limited by the dynamic range of existing films. Now, in the digital era, dynamic ranges are far broader, and they allow the photographer to capture images in the editing process, that were unheard of in the film era.

The editing feature algorithms are far more powerful than I ever dreamed of during my film days. And as an adjunct to that, I've been able to scan negatives and transparencies, getting far more pleasing images than I could ever get when I shot film.

Just yesterday, I was editing some Kodachrome (200) transparencies which had suffered a bit of color shift since they were taken in 1992. A trip through Photoshop Elements restored the images to what I'd originally seen.

I relish the thought of smart editing, actually increasing the dynamic range by bringing up latent images at both ends.
While dodging, burning, etc. are all recognized da... (show quote)


I am so happy with our new methods and grateful for them and remember the old days in the dark room and endless dissappointments........no thanks to that life. I look forward to each and every new tool I can find to make a better picture to enjoy & share and don't mind the mistakes along the way.

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