CHG_CANON wrote:
I'm not sure that Nikon is pushing Sony nor Canon any longer. The D850 is an August 2017 release. As recently as 2020, according to Nikon Rumors, they were still flirting with another DSLR release. For who? No one wants a DSLR, not a new one at a new body price. It seems that reality and time have overrun this outdated idea. But that it was under consideration hints at some problems in the leadership of the company.
As mentioned in my first response, limited support for the legacy F-mount lenses is another problem. Every Canon EF and EF-S lens ever made works as good as, if not better, on the EOS mirrorless bodies with Canon's adapter. That's a big fat on-ramp to the mirrorless super highway. Alas, the same doesn't exist for every F-mount lens.
Also as discussed, the shrinking camera market makes things harder for Nikon. Can Nikon or Sony displace Canon from all the all-Canon shops? Unlikely, as it would have happened already in the last 30 years if it was ever going to happen. Can Nikon at least convert all their existing customers? Well, that F-mount problem is a problem in that approach. As are the costs, as mentioned by our OP in a recent reply.
The Olympics should have been the showcase of all the new top-tier releases. I'm unsure if the uncertainty of the Olympics being held is holding back the camera announcements. Someday the releases will happen and then we'll see over probably 2 or 3 years if a great shakeout finally happens.
A retro DX camera, w/ or w/o a mirror, is another harbinger of failure. The APS-C sensor size has a place in pocket-sized models, but for interchangeable lens cameras, the writing is on the wall for this sensor format.
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I agree with you about the retro camera - seems like a really strange and inappropriate move at this juncture - both because it is retro when Nikon needs to prove itself as up to date with tech, and because it is APS-C, which I agree is not where the action is in the ILC market.
To your other points, I think that Nikon was thinking of another DSLR because they have so many DSLR users out there - but I also think that they have since abandoned this idea - there has been no talk of a D880 in a long time, and I doubt that camera is going to materialize.
Instead they need to get the Z99 out and deliver on the promise that it will truly be a flagship mirrorless camera with state of the art tech including (but not limited to) autofocus matching Canon and Sony - then they need to immediately trickle this tech down to the very next generation of cameras - this is where a Z8 could shine.
If all the D850 users came over to the Z8 Nikon would be doing well indeed.
As for the adapter not working as well as Canon's - this is true in that it does not allow D style (screw drive) lenses to autofocus, but other than that it works very well. With newer F mount lenses from the last 20 years, and I think there are around 100 of them it adapts them perfectly to the Z mount.
I regularly use the 105mm 1.4E and 58mm 1.4G lenses on the FTZ adapter with my Z6 and Z6II and I can say that these lenses work better with the Z camera than they did natively on the DSLR's - they seem just as responsive for AF but they now enjoy 3 axis image stabilization and focus points across the screen - honestly it has revitalized these lenses and I don't know if I will ever stop using them even if analog Z mount lenses are released.
I agree, however, that Nikon should make an adapter that can power the D style screw drive lenses just so their entire lens collection would still be fully operable on Z mount - I think they could get away with charging a lot for this adapter - like $350-$450 - I mean they are charging $399 for the vertical grip and it still sells (I bought it and don't regret it at all - the one with controls - not the battery brick). I think they could charge a lot because to those that have need of it, it would be worth it and for those that don't need it they would not buy it anyway.
Oh, and when I said they were pushing Sony and Canon - I don't mean technologically (at the moment - although this could change with the work that Nikon is doing in R&D on sensors), I mean more as a competitor in the market that forces them to keep prices lower and to think about innovation in general.
Anyway, here's hoping that they can get their sh&t together and solidify their position as a solid 3rd place and maybe even on the heels of 2nd :)