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May 17, 2021 03:50:35   #
Triple G
 
Canisdirus wrote:
Oh...as if lobbyists are some new kind of thing? Uhh...no.
This brings us right back to how the government is on the take all the time from private industry.

It's sort of like cigarettes...the government tells you it's horrible...but then allows it to continue...for the revenue.

Lobbyists are horrible people...and yet the government never gets rid of them.

Less government...is still the best bet.


Government or politicians? It’s the politicians getting their personal pockets filled from lobbyist activities; they’ll do everything they can to protect that. It’s provided for in the constitution.

https://www.investopedia.com/articles/investing/043015/why-lobbying-legal-and-important-us.asp

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May 17, 2021 06:34:56   #
Canisdirus
 
Triple G wrote:
Government or politicians? It’s the politicians getting their personal pockets filled from lobbyist activities; they’ll do everything they can to protect that. It’s provided for in the constitution.

https://www.investopedia.com/articles/investing/043015/why-lobbying-legal-and-important-us.asp


Lol...who wields the government? Politicians... a moot point.

First Amendment
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press, or the right of the people peaceably to assemble and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

You have to do some real gymnastics to include lobbying as part of the first amendment.

The government as you intended in your quote is BLOATED. We could cut the federal government by 1/3 ... and no one would notice a difference.

We aren't even looking at the financials here. The debt the govt. causes...which is massive and unrelenting.
Trading off the future for today.

You should try and run your household that way sometime. Why not?
When you cannot pay your bills ...
Is the answer to borrow and keep spending as never before...
Or is it time to cut the spending?

The government does the former.

If I constantly support your spending...you stop caring about cost.
That's where we are at.

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Jun 15, 2021 11:58:11   #
Tomcat5133 Loc: Gladwyne PA
 
Tax the rich just discovered that the rich billionaires that are in the news all the time do write offs and pay no personal tax. How does a man with 130 billion making money not pay a dime?
I got a notice this year from the IRS I owed a small amount money on my 2016/2017 taxes payed.
Their notice was wrong. 2 notices with extreme fines and interest totally over 8k. Problem was their
were 2 notices for me and the wife separate. We file jointly. Came next month half amount of first notices.
I checked my IRS record and it make no sense. They invite you to appeal and tax payers have to be treated
fairly by us the IRS. So an official appeal went to them. It is now 6 months of notices and collection agencies
they hire in CA and PA where I live. You cannot call the number they post for service. it says we are busy call in a few days. I am still getting threatening notices and at the most I might 2k. They demand a different number
every month.

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Jun 15, 2021 12:22:54   #
Canisdirus
 
Tomcat5133 wrote:
Tax the rich just discovered that the rich billionaires that are in the news all the time do write offs and pay no personal tax. How does a man with 130 billion making money not pay a dime?
I got a notice this year from the IRS I owed a small amount money on my 2016/2017 taxes payed.
Their notice was wrong. 2 notices with extreme fines and interest totally over 8k. Problem was their
were 2 notices for me and the wife separate. We file jointly. Came next month half amount of first notices.
I checked my IRS record and it make no sense. They invite you to appeal and tax payers have to be treated
fairly by us the IRS. So an official appeal went to them. It is now 6 months of notices and collection agencies
they hire in CA and PA where I live. You cannot call the number they post for service. it says we are busy call in a few days. I am still getting threatening notices and at the most I might 2k. They demand a different number
every month.
Tax the rich just discovered that the rich billio... (show quote)


Sweeping generalizations are ...worthless.

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Jun 15, 2021 12:24:26   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
srscary wrote:
Most rich people don't make any products. They just make a lot of money:
1. The CEO earns 300-400 times the average employee.
2. Rich kids inherit enormous wealth from parents and live off that wealth without doing anything productive.
3. Rich people make more money off their investments than any products they create. ETFs are the new darling of the rich for reducing capital gains taxes.
4. Financial engineers (hedge fund managers) are different from (typically modestly paid) electrical, mechanical and other engineers who actually build tangible products.

-- Ronnie
Most rich people don't make any products. They jus... (show quote)

1- Regular employees are a common commodity CEO's are relatively rare, hence they command more .money 2-Most rich kids work.. . 3 Etf's are just stock market funds, income when withdrawn are subject to regular taxes 4 - Hedge fund managers are not engineers . They are financial advisors or fund managers or both

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Jun 15, 2021 12:27:28   #
dirtpusher Loc: tulsa oklahoma
 
dennis2146 wrote:
You constantly bring up useless links that I can't help but wonder if anybody looks at. I can honestly tell you I do not. What a waste of somebody's time.

I can tell you though that our country is based upon Capitalism. Someone has a job to perform and hires someone else to do that job at a wage that is acceptable to the worker. This system has been going on since America was founded and has worked perfectly for those hundreds of years.

But now you on the Left Wing Socialist side come forward and tell us that the worker agreeing to do a job for a specified wage is not paid enough IF the owner of the company is making a good profit for himself and for shareholders who expect a profit from investing in the company. You expect the owner of the company to give even more money and benefits than the worker originally agreed to. What a crock of BS from Socialists.

Under Capitalism the wonderful thing is that everyone who works has the ability to start their own company. Even under Trump, the businessman, there are people who started with Trump and later moved on to open their own companies so they too could become wealthier through hard work. This happens in all professions all across America. That is one of the reasons America is a great company, because each of us is in charge of our own destiny, so to speak. But if you Socialists are going to take a profitable company and then give it to somebody else then who would blame the owners when they said, Screw You, and shut the company down, taking their profits with them and terminating employment for up to hundreds/thousands of hard working employees who like their jobs? That is what your Socialist BS offers the American worker, NOTHING.

I learned the above in a 7th grade business class. How sad you still have not learned anything other than the Obama BS concept of me having to GIVE my earnings to those who refuse to work.

Dennis
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So says the rwing socialist

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Jun 15, 2021 13:26:50   #
Canisdirus
 
dirtpusher wrote:
So says the rwing socialist


1.) He's not wrong.
2.) What's a right-wing socialist?

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Jun 15, 2021 13:33:38   #
DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods
 
TriX wrote:
👍👍 Yes! The wage gap between the workers and the CEOs has risen to obscene levels. I’m all for laissez faire capitalism, but it has to be tempered with some moral decency or you ultimately end up with a French/Russian revolution.

The abuse of our tax system is rampant and the system needs reform. Large American companies often pay little or no tax by moving their headquarters offshore, and tax avoidance schemes are constantly exploited by those CEOs that can afford the accountants and lawyers that the average worker cannot. We need to find a balance between the incentives of capitalism and social well being.
👍👍 Yes! The wage gap between the workers and the... (show quote)



Bernie would love you !

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