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Jun 13, 2021 14:53:27   #
eshlemania Loc: Northern Indiana, USA
 
SteveFranz wrote:
How about a close-up filter? You can get them in various magnification values.


Thanks for your option. :D:D

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Jun 13, 2021 14:54:06   #
eshlemania Loc: Northern Indiana, USA
 
Nicholas J DeSciose wrote:
The 105mm Macro one of the best lenses you could ever own


I am seriously looking at that one. :D:D

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Jun 13, 2021 15:21:55   #
amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA
 
eshlemania wrote:
I have a D5300 Nikon and a full frame Nikon D750. Would it be better to purchase a used micro lens? Which would be best-besides the 200 2.8-which I cannot afford.

Thanks bunches for your time and consideration.


Your 50mm lens might be a macro lens. Some are. But many are not. Without more specific info about it, we really can't say. Is it a Nikkor? What, exactly, is written on it?

Some people define that as able to do 1:1 magnification, full "life size", or higher... Others folks, including some of the manufacturers themselves, define it as a lens able to do 1:2 magnification, or half life size. (Canon has a number of "Macro" lenses that are 1:2 capable.)

What 1:1 life size means is that with your D750 you can fill the image with a shot of something 24x36mm, the same size as your camera's sensor. For example, a US quarter (25 cent coin) is 25mm in diameter, so it can "fill" your D750's viewfinder at full 1:1. Your D5300 is an APS-C camera with a smaller sensor, so 1:1 with it means approx. 14x22mm area. I think a US dime (10 cent coin) is slightly larger than 14mm diameter.

Even if your 50mm lens is not a macro lens, it can be made to focus close and produce higher magnification by adding "macro extension rings" behind it. Those come in sets. Nikon makes them (but should be avoided because they're expensive and have limited capabilities). A set from Kenko in F-mount costs roughly $125 and included three tubes: 12mm, 20mm and 36mm. The more extension you put between the lens and the camera, the higher magnification it will be able to do.

However, you may not be happy with the image quality that produces. Simply, a normal or "non macro" 50mm lens isn't designed to focus super close. It's actually has some field curvature designed into it, probably optimized for 8 or 10 feet away. A true macro lens is a "flat field" design. This means is will be sharper from corner to corner, as well as more evenly illuminated. With a non-macro lens and extension tubes, it's not unusual to see some darkening of the corners of images, called "vignetting".

Now, these aren't necessary bad things. To photograph the yellow rose bud below I wanted a soft, dreamy look and chose to use a non-macro 50mm lens with extension tube specifically because I knew it would produce those effects. I also didn't need full 1:1 magnification. This is probably around 1:3 magnification, I would guess:



In my opinion, 50mm is somewhat short for a lot of purposes and the most versatile macro lenses are around 100mm. This is long enough to give you reasonable working distance for many subjects, without being so long that it's difficult to get a steady shot.

Shorter focal lengths get awfully close when focused to high magnifications, which can be a problem with shy live subjects and make it difficult to not shade your subject. Longer focal lengths are not only challenging to hold steady, more likely to require a tripod, but it's made worse because they tend to have extremely shallow depth of field, too... which can require you to stop them down more. Besides, it appears Nikon has quietly discontinued their 200mm f/4 Micro lens.

That still leaves you a lot of choices. Nikon themselves makes a 105mm f/2.8 "Micro" lens that's very good. There also are a Tamron 90mm, Tokina 100mm and Sigma 105mm.

The Tamron and Sigma would work fine on both your cameras, are very capable and cost less than the Nikkor 105mm. The Tokina is the least expensive of all, but it would only be able to autofocus on your D750. It will be manual focus only on a D5300.

If I were buying a macro lens today, I'd seriously consider the Sigma. It's a really nice lens, with all the features of and image quality competitive with the Nikkor 105mm. The Sigma actually used to be the most expensive lens around this focal length, but Sigma dropped the price considerably a couple years ago and it's now a very good value. The Tamron is also a fine, full featured lens that's the latest in a line of 90mm macro lenses they've offered since the 1980s.

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/products/SLR-Camera-Lenses/ci/274/N/4288584247?sort=PRICE_HIGH_TO_LOW&filters=fct_a_focus-type_5738%3Aautofocus%2Cfct_lens-mount_3442%3Anikon-f%2Cfct_lenses-kits_7315%3Alenses-only%2Cfct_special-designs_3320%3Amacro

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Jun 13, 2021 15:57:07   #
eshlemania Loc: Northern Indiana, USA
 
amfoto1 wrote:
Your 50mm lens might be a macro lens. Some are. But many are not. Without more specific info about it, we really can't say. Is it a Nikkor? What, exactly, is written on it?

Some people define that as able to do 1:1 magnification, full "life size", or higher... Others folks, including some of the manufacturers themselves, define it as a lens able to do 1:2 magnification, or half life size. (Canon has a number of "Macro" lenses that are 1:2 capable.)

What 1:1 life size means is that with your D750 you can fill the image with a shot of something 24x36mm, the same size as your camera's sensor. For example, a US quarter (25 cent coin) is 25mm in diameter, so it can "fill" your D750's viewfinder at full 1:1. Your D5300 is an APS-C camera with a smaller sensor, so 1:1 with it means approx. 14x22mm area. I think a US dime (10 cent coin) is slightly larger than 14mm diameter.

Even if your 50mm lens is not a macro lens, it can be made to focus close and produce higher magnification by adding "macro extension rings" behind it. Those come in sets. Nikon makes them (but should be avoided because they're expensive and have limited capabilities). A set from Kenko in F-mount costs roughly $125 and included three tubes: 12mm, 20mm and 36mm. The more extension you put between the lens and the camera, the higher magnification it will be able to do.

However, you may not be happy with the image quality that produces. Simply, a normal or "non macro" 50mm lens isn't designed to focus super close. It's actually has some field curvature designed into it, probably optimized for 8 or 10 feet away. A true macro lens is a "flat field" design. This means is will be sharper from corner to corner, as well as more evenly illuminated. With a non-macro lens and extension tubes, it's not unusual to see some darkening of the corners of images, called "vignetting".

Now, these aren't necessary bad things. To photograph the yellow rose bud below I wanted a soft, dreamy look and chose to use a non-macro 50mm lens with extension tube specifically because I knew it would produce those effects. I also didn't need full 1:1 magnification. This is probably around 1:3 magnification, I would guess:



In my opinion, 50mm is somewhat short for a lot of purposes and the most versatile macro lenses are around 100mm. This is long enough to give you reasonable working distance for many subjects, without being so long that it's difficult to get a steady shot.

Shorter focal lengths get awfully close when focused to high magnifications, which can be a problem with shy live subjects and make it difficult to not shade your subject. Longer focal lengths are not only challenging to hold steady, more likely to require a tripod, but it's made worse because they tend to have extremely shallow depth of field, too... which can require you to stop them down more. Besides, it appears Nikon has quietly discontinued their 200mm f/4 Micro lens.

That still leaves you a lot of choices. Nikon themselves makes a 105mm f/2.8 "Micro" lens that's very good. There also are a Tamron 90mm, Tokina 100mm and Sigma 105mm.

The Tamron and Sigma would work fine on both your cameras, are very capable and cost less than the Nikkor 105mm. The Tokina is the least expensive of all, but it would only be able to autofocus on your D750. It will be manual focus only on a D5300.

If I were buying a macro lens today, I'd seriously consider the Sigma. It's a really nice lens, with all the features of and image quality competitive with the Nikkor 105mm. The Sigma actually used to be the most expensive lens around this focal length, but Sigma dropped the price considerably a couple years ago and it's now a very good value. The Tamron is also a fine, full featured lens that's the latest in a line of 90mm macro lenses they've offered since the 1980s.

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/products/SLR-Camera-Lenses/ci/274/N/4288584247?sort=PRICE_HIGH_TO_LOW&filters=fct_a_focus-type_5738%3Aautofocus%2Cfct_lens-mount_3442%3Anikon-f%2Cfct_lenses-kits_7315%3Alenses-only%2Cfct_special-designs_3320%3Amacro
Your 50mm lens i might /i be a macro lens. Some ... (show quote)


Thanks so much. I appreciate your detailed info.

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Jun 13, 2021 18:02:30   #
sscnxy
 
larryepage wrote:
You must have gotten a bad copy of the 105mm f/2.8. Mine has been excellent since I bought it in 2008.


Hello Larry. It was not a bad copy, and any front or back focus had been tuned out. Portraits with it looked ok. However, when it came down to macro shots of insects, the fine details like the very tiniest spikes or hairs on the legs or heads just never equalled the Tokina's rendition. Keep in mind now, macro was shot at f8 through f14, trying to avoid diffraction. All the reviews I've read support my own personal experience also, ie, the AF-S VR G 105mm does not produce as good IQ as the Tokina does at any aperture smaller than F2.8. I guess it boiled down to how satisfied I was about tiny details. For my macro, it's a big deal because I'd prefer great images right out of camera, rather than having to spend a lot of time sharpening up in PP. The VR adds to it being way overpriced, but I never used VR for macro -- portraiture, yes. As many others have felt, at half its price, the Tokina is a no-brainer, in comparison.

NY

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Jun 13, 2021 18:58:32   #
Harvey Loc: Pioneer, CA
 
eshlemania wrote:
I have a D5300 Nikon and a full frame Nikon D750. Would it be better to purchase a used micro lens? Which would be best-besides the 200 2.8-which I cannot afford.

Thanks bunches for your time and consideration.


The reversed lens with E tubes was my tools for entering macro photography - there are many con's by folks but so many more pro's - the lens in the answering point- will the one you have work? I started with older canon manual lens and have had endless hours experimenting and getting images I never imagined possible with such inexpensive equipment.

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Jun 14, 2021 01:01:50   #
gessman Loc: Colorado
 
eshlemania wrote:
I will have to investigate this option. Thanks for the link.


Bellows can give you an advantage because it lets you adjust the focal length in smooth and small increments with a set screw as opposed to big increments in mm chunks with tubes and without having to move the whole camera in and out and ultimately gives you vastly more total control over your adjustment in smooth variable increments as opposed to with tubes and 10, 15, or 25mm increments, very good for taking multiple images in steps so you can later stack for greater depth of field ESPECIALLY if you are using a tripod which can often be a good idea.

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Jun 14, 2021 10:35:08   #
Harvey Loc: Pioneer, CA
 
gessman wrote:
Bellows can give you an advantage because it lets you adjust the focal length in smooth and small increments with a set screw as opposed to big increments in mm chunks with tubes and without having to move the whole camera in and out and ultimately gives you vastly more total control over your adjustment in smooth variable increments as opposed to with tubes and 10, 15, or 25mm increments, very good for taking multiple images in steps so you can later stack for greater depth of field ESPECIALLY if you are using a tripod which can often be a good idea.
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Another advantage of a bellows is you can buy a electronic connection lens setup that allows you to use your lens as it is normally connected to your camera- camera adapter - cable - lens adapter.

Harvey

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Jun 14, 2021 11:36:13   #
BebuLamar
 
I have never mount a lens in reverse so I wouldn't know how well that would work. I have use a regular 50mm lens with the diopter lenses in front. I have also used extension tubes and I also used bellow. All of those allow me to take close up pictures. None is as good or convenient as a macro lens. The diopter (close up filter) yield the lowest quality. The extension tubes and bellow give the same quality but the bellow is more flexible in term of focusing.

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