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May 30, 2021 11:24:24   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
DennyT wrote:
Stupid post . It seems you think. Being less racist is ok !!!


No, but rather than tear this country apart, maybe we could work on positive solutions other than teaching our children to hate each other, or further cripple a large segment of our population by sending the message that their failures are not theirs to own and overcome, no, they never stood a chance in the first place... The country owes them so they will not have to achieve success on their own merit, no, the government is just going to hand it to them.

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May 30, 2021 11:27:02   #
DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
No, but rather than tear this country apart, maybe we could work on positive solutions other than teaching our children to hate each other, or further cripple a large segment of our population by sending the message that their failures are not theirs to own and overcome, no, they never stood a chance in the first place... The country owes them so they will not have to achieve success on their own merit, no, the government is just going to hand it to them.


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May 30, 2021 11:37:11   #
Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan
 
DennyT wrote:
It is ea


If that's your reply, obviously you haven't thought this through. Ignorance can be cured if you do your homework. Stupidity is forever.

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May 30, 2021 11:58:35   #
IDguy Loc: Idaho
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
You know, I have employed black folks who were among the best of the group, nobody looked at the color of their skin but rather their accomplishment and contribution to the effort and nothing held them back from advancement.

How would you black friends even know what it took for their white counterparts to achieve their success? You say that they had to work so much harder but how could they even begin to measure what it took for their white counterparts to succeed? It is not like top positions are just handed out, in every workplace there is competition for advancement.

It is very unfortunate that in many black communities people young and old are not equipped for their future careers. The schools are substandard, often they lack discipline, now we have the federal government measuring how often black students are disciplined in school vs how often white students are disciplined in school without proper consideration to the disciplinary infractions that are occurring in those schools. It is insanity, it fixes nothing and only serves to lesson the ability of these schools to provide a proper learning environment. You have spent a lot of time in Asian countries, would they tolerate disruptive behavior in their schools? Somehow I think not, nor do I think that they would sacrifice the quality of their educational system to save those who show little interest in the educational experience.

The condition of our black communities is a problem, and it is a societal problem as society has for the most part turned its back on these communities while paying little attention as they for the most part isolated from much of the greater communities and as long as we funneled money into them, ineffectively I might add, we could say that we were doing our part, but no, as someone mentioned above much of the youth in these communities are being raised by the streets, there is little to no commercial investment in these communities, there is little opportunity in these communities, and education in these communities is far below the standards as seen in the greater community as a whole. You may choose to call this systemic racism, personally I would call it failed government policy, I would love to blame this on the democrats as the majority of these areas are run by democrat governments but that would be a bit of a lie to solely place the blame with them because republicans have never seemed to take up the problems of these communities so they too share in the blame.

Jack Kemp who you may remember was a quarterback for I believe the Bill's and then when on to become a Senator was an advocate for the economic development of these communities way back in the 80's but he never got the support needed to make any real change. Trump actually did begin to pick up some of Kemp's ideas when he started to develop "Opportunity Zones" giving capital gains tax breaks if the money were to be reinvested into blighted communities. It was possibly a start, Trump worked with Senator Tim Scott on these programs and it would be nice to see the Biden administration to move further with them. One of the saddest things I have seen on TV was a reporter interviewing a corner drug dealer in a gang ridden neighborhood. The reporter asked the dealer why he would risk gang violence and of course incarceration by selling drugs on that street corner, the reply was simple and heart breaking, the dealer said... "If I don't do this my children don't eat.", that is a problem, these communities are deserts for opportunity and gainful employment and that must change. As far as education? If children don't want to learn, if they are disruptive to the learning process of the other children in the schools, well then move them to schools where you can bring all those like them, if they change their behavior and work habits then they can move back into the mainstream setting but we can't sit back and watch generation after generation of students graduate our school system ill prepared for the challenges ahead of them.... This is absolutely contrary to the current thought in education in this country, but I would rather lose 1/2 of a current generation than 3/4 of the next 10 generations that follow.

You folks can call it systemic racism, to me that is pure BS, what it is in my mind is a lack of focus on the problem and the lack of fortitude to actually do what needs to be done.... and then of course there are the teacher's unions which are an entirely different problem that only adds to the difficulty facing these communities.

I will add one thing to this diatribe of mine.... I have never known anyone to move forward in life by not owning their failures, how many successful people can you point to that blame their failures on others, on outside influences rather than accounting for their own short comings or lack of preparedness? I can't name any, most successful people I have ever known took inventory of their own abilities as well as shortcomings and worked to improve or overcome. Is the current push in CRT and 1619 not just giving people another crutch that will do more to hold them back than to move them forward?
You know, I have employed black folks who were amo... (show quote)


Right. The cries of “systemic racism” are a left tactic to continue the dependence of many blacks on the government and destruction of the black family ethic.

Two of their main tools were “aid to dependent children” and the “projects” of the sixties and seventies housing black ghettos in place of employment opportunities.

Notice no one says what “systemic racism” is. No cause and effect suggested. For example, blacks and minorities are extremely favored by federal employment laws today. Only white males are discriminated against. None mention that.

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May 30, 2021 12:00:04   #
IDguy Loc: Idaho
 
IDguy wrote:
Right. The cries of “systemic racism” are a left tactic to continue the dependence of many blacks on the government and destruction of the black family ethic.

Two of their main tools were “aid to dependent children” and the “projects” of the sixties and seventies housing black ghettos in place of employment opportunities. They foster a “woe is me” attitude among those blacks who listen (the 70% Democrats). Others simply work hard and succeed.

Notice no one says what “systemic racism” is. No cause and effect suggested. For example, blacks and minorities are extremely favored by federal employment laws today. Only white males are discriminated against. None mention that.
Right. The cries of “systemic racism” are a left t... (show quote)


Duplicate. Wish these were deletable.

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May 30, 2021 12:05:27   #
soba1 Loc: Somewhere In So Ca
 
IDguy wrote:
Right. The cries of “systemic racism” are a left tactic to continue the dependence of many blacks on the government and destruction of the black family ethic.

Two of their main tools were “aid to dependent children” and the “projects” of the sixties and seventies housing black ghettos in place of employment opportunities.

Notice no one says what “systemic racism” is. No cause and effect suggested. For example, blacks and minorities are extremely favored by federal employment laws today. Only white males are discriminated against. None mention that.
Right. The cries of “systemic racism” are a left t... (show quote)


They are done with blk males now its your turn lol there is no disputing that

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May 30, 2021 12:08:31   #
soba1 Loc: Somewhere In So Ca
 
If there is systemic racism this is where it is
our criminal justice system

https://www.ussc.gov/research/research-reports/demographic-differences-sentencing

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May 30, 2021 12:22:45   #
DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods
 
soba1 wrote:
If there is systemic racism this is where it is
our criminal justice system

https://www.ussc.gov/research/research-reports/demographic-differences-sentencing



And housing

https://www.npr.org/2021/05/21/998536881/a-black-woman-says-she-had-to-hide-her-race-to-get-a-fair-home-appraisal

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May 30, 2021 12:30:48   #
travelwp Loc: New Jersey
 
kymarto wrote:
I have discussed this deeply with my black friends, most of whom are quite successful, but he tell me how much harder they had to fight to get where they are than their white counterparts.


Of the blacks who worked for me in my department, one of them mentioned that he had to move out of his black neighborhood. His black neighbors recognized that he had a good paying job and they constantly borrowed money from him. They rarely paid back their loan and he couldn’t afford to keep paying these handouts, plus he didn’t want to offend any of his neighbors by continually asking for his money. So I agree with your comment.

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May 30, 2021 12:52:51   #
DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods
 
travelwp wrote:
Of the blacks who worked for me in my department, one of them mentioned that he had to move out of his black neighborhood. His black neighbors recognized that he had a good paying job and they constantly borrowed money from him. They rarely paid back their loan and he couldn’t afford to keep paying these handouts, plus he didn’t want to offend any of his neighbors by continually asking for his money. So I agree with your comment.



In keeping with your beliefs -You missed his whole point.

“”” how much harder they had to fight to get where they are than their white counterpart
“””

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May 30, 2021 12:57:26   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
DEBJENROB wrote:
that is not what I wrote, please read my post again .... I guess you forgot, but with the nomination of Barry Goldwater ....the Republican party "closed the door" on the moderate wing of the party .... in other words Rockefeller Republicans lost their influence in the party .... and never regained their position in the party ... the Republican Party became the voice of American conservatism ....


Well, you will have to excuse me, I was about 8 years old at the time and not politically aware, although I enjoy reading history I have not delved at all into that time period. I vaguely remember the 68 riots, but I do remember Martin Luther King, a man who I hold in higher esteem than any of the presidents of my lifetime although for me Reagan comes in at a close second but still does not make the final cut.

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May 30, 2021 13:11:44   #
trainspotter Loc: Oregon
 
kymarto wrote:
This is such misleading crap. Compare the number of black billionaires per capita based on the percentage of blacks in the population and the number of white billionaires per capita among whites, and you will see how skewed opportunities are for minorities. Only 1.2% of US billionaires are black, though blacks make up over 12% of the population. Do the math and you will see that blacks are 10x - an order of magnitude - less likely to achieve billionaire status. Is that opportunity, or do you believe that they are constitutionally 10x less capable and/or intelligent than whites?
This is such misleading crap. Compare the number o... (show quote)


Sounds like "GETHRO math"......5 gazenta 10......10 gazenta 20.....20 gazenta 40.....

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May 30, 2021 14:44:24   #
soba1 Loc: Somewhere In So Ca
 


Wow.......

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May 30, 2021 14:58:25   #
DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods
 
soba1 wrote:
Wow.......


Google systemic housing racism and see the multitude of such stories.

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May 30, 2021 15:19:33   #
kymarto Loc: Portland OR and Milan Italy
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
You know, I have employed black folks who were among the best of the group, nobody looked at the color of their skin but rather their accomplishment and contribution to the effort and nothing held them back from advancement.

How would you black friends even know what it took for their white counterparts to achieve their success? You say that they had to work so much harder but how could they even begin to measure what it took for their white counterparts to succeed? It is not like top positions are just handed out, in every workplace there is competition for advancement.

It is very unfortunate that in many black communities people young and old are not equipped for their future careers. The schools are substandard, often they lack discipline, now we have the federal government measuring how often black students are disciplined in school vs how often white students are disciplined in school without proper consideration to the disciplinary infractions that are occurring in those schools. It is insanity, it fixes nothing and only serves to lesson the ability of these schools to provide a proper learning environment. You have spent a lot of time in Asian countries, would they tolerate disruptive behavior in their schools? Somehow I think not, nor do I think that they would sacrifice the quality of their educational system to save those who show little interest in the educational experience.

The condition of our black communities is a problem, and it is a societal problem as society has for the most part turned its back on these communities while paying little attention as they for the most part isolated from much of the greater communities and as long as we funneled money into them, ineffectively I might add, we could say that we were doing our part, but no, as someone mentioned above much of the youth in these communities are being raised by the streets, there is little to no commercial investment in these communities, there is little opportunity in these communities, and education in these communities is far below the standards as seen in the greater community as a whole. You may choose to call this systemic racism, personally I would call it failed government policy, I would love to blame this on the democrats as the majority of these areas are run by democrat governments but that would be a bit of a lie to solely place the blame with them because republicans have never seemed to take up the problems of these communities so they too share in the blame.

Jack Kemp who you may remember was a quarterback for I believe the Bill's and then when on to become a Senator was an advocate for the economic development of these communities way back in the 80's but he never got the support needed to make any real change. Trump actually did begin to pick up some of Kemp's ideas when he started to develop "Opportunity Zones" giving capital gains tax breaks if the money were to be reinvested into blighted communities. It was possibly a start, Trump worked with Senator Tim Scott on these programs and it would be nice to see the Biden administration to move further with them. One of the saddest things I have seen on TV was a reporter interviewing a corner drug dealer in a gang ridden neighborhood. The reporter asked the dealer why he would risk gang violence and of course incarceration by selling drugs on that street corner, the reply was simple and heart breaking, the dealer said... "If I don't do this my children don't eat.", that is a problem, these communities are deserts for opportunity and gainful employment and that must change. As far as education? If children don't want to learn, if they are disruptive to the learning process of the other children in the schools, well then move them to schools where you can bring all those like them, if they change their behavior and work habits then they can move back into the mainstream setting but we can't sit back and watch generation after generation of students graduate our school system ill prepared for the challenges ahead of them.... This is absolutely contrary to the current thought in education in this country, but I would rather lose 1/2 of a current generation than 3/4 of the next 10 generations that follow.

You folks can call it systemic racism, to me that is pure BS, what it is in my mind is a lack of focus on the problem and the lack of fortitude to actually do what needs to be done.... and then of course there are the teacher's unions which are an entirely different problem that only adds to the difficulty facing these communities.

I will add one thing to this diatribe of mine.... I have never known anyone to move forward in life by not owning their failures, how many successful people can you point to that blame their failures on others, on outside influences rather than accounting for their own short comings or lack of preparedness? I can't name any, most successful people I have ever known took inventory of their own abilities as well as shortcomings and worked to improve or overcome. Is the current push in CRT and 1619 not just giving people another crutch that will do more to hold them back than to move them forward?
You know, I have employed black folks who were amo... (show quote)


A lot of what you say is true. The issue of black and white is not black and white. I had an interesting experience living as a "gaijin" (outside person) in Japan for three decades. There is a lot of discrimination in the society against foreigners. There are the looks, the dismissive attitudes, being stopped by the police and having one's bicycle registration checked, a thousand and one things that eat away at you in a society in which you are not considered as good as a Japanese. Of course this is mild compared to what other Asians suffer in Japan--white is still privileged in Asia--but it gave me a taste.

I think I will publish here a communication from one of my dearest friends. I don't think he would mind. Whatever happens in this life, I will meet my maker in the knowledge that I tried, during my lifetime, to see all people as my brothers and sisters. My job as a photographer took me all over the world. My boss and I once reflected that we had the best job in the world, one day in the poorest slum in Manila, the next in the same room with all the leaders of the G-20, and I have seen that we are all indeed cut from the same cloth. I understand the fears that create discrimination and the wish to keep another down, how they ring down generations and entrench both oppressor and oppressed. The question is what WE are doing about them, because even if we are at the top of the heap and fighting to stay there, we are as oppressed as those we oppress.


"I have had interesting conversations with a few of our friends. Q is one. We almost got permanent out of touch after I had a conversation with him about my experiences of racism in the US. I received a lot of doubt from him, his partner is from the Philippines and she had "never experienced any discrimination." So he found my stories very hard to believe. Then Floyd happened. We have been in conversation since then. Gone to some hard places reflecting on this thing...I have come to respect the many reasons why most "white" people I have met do not understand. Thanks to the practice of meditation which I started on that path as a serious student with BOR, I am (Finally) starting to be able to connect with the kinds of skills that evoke compassion...for who and what ever. As humans...we all need it. We a mess. And we've made a mess. The anger I spent the first half of my life expressing didn't change a gd thing. And my dear sister, who dedicated her life to civil rights law and channelled that anger into focused actions designed to bring that arc of justice a little closer...died from the effort...my younger sister. So, I grieve. And lament that even those of us who "practiced awareness" and tried to create "loving community" still don't get the danger represented by the shape-shifting beast of racism. But...and I'll read your comments now - lovely to be here with you for a moment my good brother -I am only saying all of this to you that I would say to few other white men because I will never forget what you said to me in Japan...the empathy that was developing in you having the experience of being gaijin in Japan...As I recall you nuanced it so beautifully, saying that you were fairly certain it was likely not what I experienced as a Black man but it was a taste that gave you an appreciation...thank you for the gift of you...

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