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May 16, 2021 11:13:11   #
Canisdirus
 
DennyT wrote:
Well even that is better than the last administration that had no clue what they were doing .


Ha...Previous admin had the best economy in US history.

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May 16, 2021 11:14:03   #
DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods
 
Canisdirus wrote:


So we voted ourselves out of the frying pan...and into the fire.

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Very true !

Socialism-a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole


What is the production distribution and exchange is the administration owning or regulating as a whole ??

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May 16, 2021 11:15:50   #
redlegfrog
 
DennyT wrote:
Well even that is better than the last administration that had no clue what they were doing .


Have you noticed that the faces in Washington DC change but nothing gets better?

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May 16, 2021 11:19:10   #
Canisdirus
 
DennyT wrote:
Very true !

Socialism-a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole


What is the production distribution and exchange is the administration owning or regulating as a whole ??


Holy smokes... you want a list of industries regulated by the government?
It's a loooong one.

BTW...using your definition...hardly any countries are socialist. That's not the way it works.

The heavier the hand of government in the private sector...the less efficient the economy is...the less money citizens have in their own pocket for the labor THEY produced...which is theft btw.

Look at England...capital spending per capita (take-home pay they have leftover in their paychecks for themselves)...makes them poorer than Mississippians. If they joined the US...they would be our poorest state.
That's how socialism works...and England isn't an extreme case.

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May 16, 2021 11:35:06   #
Tomcat5133 Loc: Gladwyne PA
 
Cliches will kill us. We use the word socialism like it is communistic. Does anyone here want to give
up on Social Security? Amazon is so powerful that they can do anything they want. Google, Microsoft,
facebook all free country corps. Where is the socialism? Of course their are things responsible people
in the USA have to do. And that is what our country needs. The environment is going to kick us in the butt.
It has started already. I was living in FL for a few years now back in PA. The weather changes are obvious.
Their are things we have to do together. Education. My son now at 50 is faced with hundreds of thousands
of money to educate my 3 grandchildren. Who are over achievers. When I was young in New York their
were free colleges. Anyone could go to community 2 year college.
Stop with the politics. Our last President was handed a recovery from the former President.
Socialism doesnt mean anything. You could call the draft socialism. Politics and jargon most of it
online is destructive. I see so many people talking this nonsense like trained robots.
One party thinks the environment is OK. And masks are not necessary. And it is OK to
enter our capital and act like hooligans. This is the reality. Think clearly without all this chatter.

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May 16, 2021 11:43:36   #
Shutterbug1697 Loc: Northeast
 
Tomcat5133 wrote:
Let's be honest. First I know some rich people and they don't work harder then others I know
Our government sold us out with all the money that rained down on them from lobbyists in
Washington. They sold out our industries allowed to move over seas and approving of what
the rich want to do in congress for their support. Where did our steel and hard industries go.
Mitch MicConnell approved a Russian aluminum company in his state. His wife is asian the
daughter of one of the richest shipping companies in the world. They get any approvals
they need from congress. This is not a level playing field. It is set up for the money people.
The richest people I know of you (we have one in our family) are in finance. Look at what
the financial companies did to American's 12 years ago. I lost some of my retirement money.
And now at 74 I am seeing the dark side of that success I had.
The saddest is an article in newspapers that the vegetable pickers in our country
cannot afford vegetables and their expenses on $7.25 an hour. That's why we need
new ideas in our country. We need imaginative ideas. Our current president is talking
about putting more people to work like Roosevelt. Repairing our country on believing
that the envoronment is critical to address right now.
I went to high school in NY. And Roosevelt put others and artist to work their
paintings were all over my school walls. I got involved in the art class and the
school book. Went to art school in NY. And in my late 20's won dozens of awards
in Art Direction in advertising.
Let's be honest. First I know some rich people and... (show quote)

Hummmmm, you're blaming Roosevelt for your chosen career which earned you "dozens of arards" in your late 20's.

You can't see that today's environmental issues will affect both you and your family into the future.

Rising tides in Southern Florida are already causing severe storm damage, not to mention that Miami is currently raising the elevation of their roads to enable vehicles to continue to navigate roads during high tides and storm surges.

Open your eyes!

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May 16, 2021 12:07:30   #
Canisdirus
 
Tomcat5133 wrote:
Cliches will kill us. We use the word socialism like it is communistic. Does anyone here want to give
up on Social Security? Amazon is so powerful that they can do anything they want. Google, Microsoft,
facebook all free country corps. Where is the socialism? Of course their are things responsible people
in the USA have to do. And that is what our country needs. The environment is going to kick us in the butt.
It has started already. I was living in FL for a few years now back in PA. The weather changes are obvious.
Their are things we have to do together. Education. My son now at 50 is faced with hundreds of thousands
of money to educate my 3 grandchildren. Who are over achievers. When I was young in New York their
were free colleges. Anyone could go to community 2 year college.
Stop with the politics. Our last President was handed a recovery from the former President.
Socialism doesnt mean anything. You could call the draft socialism. Politics and jargon most of it
online is destructive. I see so many people talking this nonsense like trained robots.
One party thinks the environment is OK. And masks are not necessary. And it is OK to
enter our capital and act like hooligans. This is the reality. Think clearly without all this chatter.
Cliches will kill us. We use the word socialism li... (show quote)


Socialism and communism are the same...just a matter of degree.
It's the politicians...the government that allows Google...Amazon...Facebook etc. to be huge and powerful.
Politicians can be bought...easily.
Why is college so expensive? It didn't used to be.
Because the government got involved.
It's the same with any industry...if the govt. gets involved and guarantees everything with public money (your money)...cost analysis and frugality gets tossed out the window.

There is about a 65 percent pass-through effect on federal student loans. In other words, for every $3 increase in such loans, colleges and universities raise tuition by $2.

Why not? The colleges know that the govt. will just keep giving out loans...to practically anyone...so the cost/benefit ratio can be ignored by the schools.

If you want something....anything screwed up...let the government help.

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May 16, 2021 12:27:56   #
Shutterbug1697 Loc: Northeast
 
Canisdirus wrote:
Socialism isn't a new idea...it's an old and failed one.
Biden is talking about putting folks back to work?
Trump did that already...lowest unemployment in US history.
Personally, I found Trump abrasive...and I met him before he ran for office.
But... he is also incredibly smart and intuitive...soaks it all in like a sponge.

So we voted ourselves out of the frying pan...and into the fire.

If Biden and Co. actually proposed Scandinavian socialism... I would at least listen and study it.
But they propose Venezuelan socialism...and try calling it Scandanavian ...which is as underhanded as it gets.
No thanks.
Socialism isn't a new idea...it's an old and faile... (show quote)

trump’s job creation numbers were worse in his first three years in office than President Obama's were in his last three years in office,

Then trump LOST more jobs in his last year in office tanking the US Economy due to his FAILURE to deal with the Pandemic, the WORST job loss record since the Great Depression!

Have you missed the fact that under President Biden the economy is finally recovering?

Don't blame the Federal Extended unemployment benefits for the unfilled jobs. Daycare facilities have gone out of business, which is keeping a good portion of people out of work right now. The proposed Infrastructure bill addresses the daycare shortages.

Those stimulus checks are being spent at businesses all across the country!

Would you rather that those checks weren't sent out? What did you do with your stimulus money?

Let's discuss the vaccine roll-out, and all of the shots in the arm which have happened under the Biden Administration.

Remember that trump had no plan beyond Operation Warp Speed to actually administer the vaccinations, as a matter of fact, the trump administration lost track of doses under their control in December.

Have you been vaccinated yet?

If you have and you got it after January 20th, it's the Biden Administration which made getting your shot possible, not the trump administration.

The Defense Production Act has been IMPLEMENTED under the Biden Administration, trump only enacted, but he failed to go any further with it.

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May 16, 2021 12:36:08   #
Shutterbug1697 Loc: Northeast
 
Canisdirus wrote:
Ha...Previous admin had the best economy in US history.

How many times do trump CULT members need to be reminded that Stock Market is not the same thing as the US Economy?

Your 401K balance isn't the same thing as the US Economy.

Oh, that's right, you're kind of new to the attic.

But the message is the same.

The economy wasn't all that great under trump, but it's finally recovering after trump's FAILURE to deal with the Pandemic.

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May 16, 2021 12:39:54   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
There is a very good reason why top CEO's earn 3-400 more than the AVERAGE worker/ Top CEO's are a rare, and average workers are average and plentiful. Average workers are easily replaced, good ceo's are rare. As in mamy things it's a matter of supply and demand. There is an ample supply of average workers and there are few good CEO's. I worked for an outfit where the top sales people earned more. money than the CEO. And he wanted more top sales people. One of those top sales people is a good friend (for over 30 years).

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May 16, 2021 12:55:43   #
letmedance Loc: Walnut, Ca.
 
Tomcat5133 wrote:
Cliches will kill us. We use the word socialism like it is communistic. Does anyone here want to give
up on Social Security? Amazon is so powerful that they can do anything they want. Google, Microsoft,
facebook all free country corps. Where is the socialism? Of course their are things responsible people
in the USA have to do. And that is what our country needs. The environment is going to kick us in the butt.
It has started already. I was living in FL for a few years now back in PA. The weather changes are obvious.
Their are things we have to do together. Education. My son now at 50 is faced with hundreds of thousands
of money to educate my 3 grandchildren. Who are over achievers. When I was young in New York their
were free colleges. Anyone could go to community 2 year college.
Stop with the politics. Our last President was handed a recovery from the former President.
Socialism doesnt mean anything. You could call the draft socialism. Politics and jargon most of it
online is destructive. I see so many people talking this nonsense like trained robots.
One party thinks the environment is OK. And masks are not necessary. And it is OK to
enter our capital and act like hooligans. This is the reality. Think clearly without all this chatter.
Cliches will kill us. We use the word socialism li... (show quote)


The president also has a stuttering problem.

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May 16, 2021 13:07:10   #
DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods
 
redlegfrog wrote:
Have you noticed that the faces in Washington DC change but nothing gets better?


Absolutely !!

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May 16, 2021 13:09:57   #
DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods
 
Canisdirus wrote:
Holy smokes... you want a list of industries regulated by the government?
It's a loooong one.

BTW...using your definition...hardly any countries are socialist. That's not the way it works.

The heavier the hand of government in the private sector...the less efficient the economy is...the less money citizens have in their own pocket for the labor THEY produced...which is theft btw.

Look at England...capital spending per capita (take-home pay they have leftover in their paychecks for themselves)...makes them poorer than Mississippians. If they joined the US...they would be our poorest state.
That's how socialism works...and England isn't an extreme case.
Holy smokes... you want a list of industries regul... (show quote)


Yes many industries are regulated - in fact name one that isn’t .
So why is that a democrat/Biden issue ?

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May 16, 2021 13:10:45   #
DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods
 
boberic wrote:
There is a very good reason why top CEO's earn 3-400 more than the AVERAGE worker/ Top CEO's are a rare, and average workers are average and plentiful. Average workers are easily replaced, good ceo's are rare. As in mamy things it's a matter of supply and demand. There is an ample supply of average workers and there are few good CEO's. I worked for an outfit where the top sales people earned more. money than the CEO. And he wanted more top sales people. One of those top sales people is a good friend (for over 30 years).
There is a very good reason why top CEO's earn 3-4... (show quote)



Excellent post!!

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May 16, 2021 13:13:06   #
DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods
 
Tomcat5133 wrote:
Cliches will kill us. We use the word socialism like it is communistic. Does anyone here want to give
up on Social Security? Amazon is so powerful that they can do anything they want. Google, Microsoft,
facebook all free country corps. Where is the socialism? Of course their are things responsible people
in the USA have to do. And that is what our country needs. The environment is going to kick us in the butt.
It has started already. I was living in FL for a few years now back in PA. The weather changes are obvious.
Their are things we have to do together. Education. My son now at 50 is faced with hundreds of thousands
of money to educate my 3 grandchildren. Who are over achievers. When I was young in New York their
were free colleges. Anyone could go to community 2 year college.
Stop with the politics. Our last President was handed a recovery from the former President.
Socialism doesnt mean anything. You could call the draft socialism. Politics and jargon most of it
online is destructive. I see so many people talking this nonsense like trained robots.
One party thinks the environment is OK. And masks are not necessary. And it is OK to
enter our capital and act like hooligans. This is the reality. Think clearly without all this chatter.
Cliches will kill us. We use the word socialism li... (show quote)



Education is not one of them . At least at the public school level. Only completion will make for better education not government control

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