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May 8, 2021 07:24:08   #
traderjohn Loc: New York City
 
henrycrafter wrote:
Van Gogh committed suicide at age 35. I have come to appreciate his dilema. He was creating fabulous art work and nobody was buying it. Having struggled with the same issues most of my life I relate to him. NO I AM NOT contemplating suicide. What I see is the frustration of working your heart out to create a work of art and having no-one place a valid monetary value on it. I have come to the conclusion that if you don't do it for the pleasure of creating it you are kidding yourself.
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Van Gogh committed suicide at age 35. I have come ... (show quote)


The difference is, he was an artist you are a photographer.

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May 8, 2021 07:43:47   #
ggttc Loc: TN
 
A couple of things I have learned from doing a little “for fun” marketing of my photos. First and foremost, will my photo look good on a wall blown up to 30” by 30”. Not many of my favorite photos will. Few people are going to hang a talons out osprey shot of that size in their living room.

Talk to other photographers and see what works for them.

Try and stay local. For instance a good bridge shot of a bridge in your town will sell better than a great shot of the Golden Gate Bridge.

Check your local galleries. You can get some good information.

Enter every contest or show you can. My best pieces are hanging in hospitals on permanent display from a contest I would have never thought to enter.

If you want to sell...you have to do a lot more than take good pics. Look around. Don’t be afraid to walk in and ask about consignments.

Market as much as you want to or as little as you want to. But you have to market.

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May 8, 2021 07:47:58   #
DIRTY HARRY Loc: Hartland, Michigan
 
traderjohn wrote:
The difference is, he was an artist you are a photographer.


Just a different medium.
Artistic medium is a term that is used by artists and art critics to refer to that out of which a work of art or, more generally, a particular art form, is made
No difference.

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May 8, 2021 07:55:00   #
AGO
 
henrycrafter wrote:
Van Gogh committed suicide at age 35. I have come to appreciate his dilema. He was creating fabulous art work and nobody was buying it. Having struggled with the same issues most of my life I relate to him. NO I AM NOT contemplating suicide. What I see is the frustration of working your heart out to create a work of art and having no-one place a valid monetary value on it. I have come to the conclusion that if you don't do it for the pleasure of creating it you are kidding yourself.
Your comments are welcome
Van Gogh committed suicide at age 35. I have come ... (show quote)


I have never tried to sell my work. What I have done frequently is donate framed pictures to charity raffles and auctions. When I have done this the items I have donated have been popular and people who have obtained my work in this way have told me how much they enjoy it. This gives me more satisfaction than making a few bucks by trying to sell it.

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May 8, 2021 07:57:19   #
bobmcculloch Loc: NYC, NY
 
kpmac wrote:
Do it for pleasue. If you sell something now and then all the better.



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May 8, 2021 08:00:19   #
yssirk123 Loc: New Jersey
 
I echo Thomas in advising you to look into the portrait market. It always amazed me at how much money people would spend for good pictures of themselves and their family.

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May 8, 2021 08:03:41   #
bobmcculloch Loc: NYC, NY
 
henrycrafter wrote:
Van Gogh committed suicide at age 35. I have come to appreciate his dilema. He was creating fabulous art work and nobody was buying it. Having struggled with the same issues most of my life I relate to him. NO I AM NOT contemplating suicide. What I see is the frustration of working your heart out to create a work of art and having no-one place a valid monetary value on it. I have come to the conclusion that if you don't do it for the pleasure of creating it you are kidding yourself.
Your comments are welcome
Van Gogh committed suicide at age 35. I have come ... (show quote)


Another thought, put some shots on Flickr, let people see them there, perhaps you'll get some likes , makes me feel good when I get a few likes there, takes a while to get started so be persistent, Bob.

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May 8, 2021 08:30:13   #
ad9mac
 
reverand wrote:
You might want to consult Stevan Naifeh and Gregory White Smith's book, Van Gogh: The Life, where they make an excellent case that Van Gogh was killed by accident, by two French boys who were playing with a gun. The suicide story comes mostly from Lust for Life. Ask yourself, who, in trying to commit suicide, shoots himself in the side. Not in the heart, but below that, pointing the gun upward (without leaving any powder burns). And who, exactly, would give a gun to a man who was spending time in the local insane asylum. Remember, the gun was never found. Nor was his painting gear. Also, in his correspondence, Van Gogh repeatedly described suicide as immoral. Of course, he could have been so depressed that he welcomed the opportunity to die.
You might want to consult Stevan Naifeh and Gregor... (show quote)


Never having learned of the cimcumstances of his death, I can feel certain it was not suicide.
(Watched too many Cop shows to believe that)

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May 8, 2021 09:06:51   #
StanMac Loc: Tennessee
 
Original Art is a tough sell and always has been. There are thousands of struggling-to-survive artists for each one that can just get by living off their art. Unless you have a distinct style or theme in your art that has wide appeal you will have to just be satisfied to display your efforts for your own satisfaction. Or the occasional single customer that somehow connects with a particular work of yours.

Stan

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May 8, 2021 09:09:36   #
Bridges Loc: Memphis, Charleston SC, now Nazareth PA
 
henrycrafter wrote:
Van Gogh committed suicide at age 35. I have come to appreciate his dilema. He was creating fabulous art work and nobody was buying it. Having struggled with the same issues most of my life I relate to him. NO I AM NOT contemplating suicide. What I see is the frustration of working your heart out to create a work of art and having no-one place a valid monetary value on it. I have come to the conclusion that if you don't do it for the pleasure of creating it you are kidding yourself.
Your comments are welcome
Van Gogh committed suicide at age 35. I have come ... (show quote)


Consider this -- it may not be the art, it may be the timing. In Van Gogh's lifetime he sold only one painting, and that to a brother-in-law. Now his work commands the highest prices in the art world. Tastes change and that can be seen in fashion, architecture, dining, in what we consider attractive in body form/hairstyles, and also in art.

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May 8, 2021 09:16:35   #
BebuLamar
 
Bridges wrote:
Consider this -- it may not be the art, it may be the timing. In Van Gogh's lifetime he sold only one painting, and that to a brother-in-law. Now his work commands the highest prices in the art world. Tastes change and that can be seen in fashion, architecture, dining, in what we consider attractive in body form/hairstyles, and also in art.


So he needs a way to go back to the future when his art is appreciated? I am really glad I don't want to make money with art.

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May 8, 2021 09:17:50   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
henrycrafter wrote:
Van Gogh committed suicide at age 35. I have come to appreciate his dilema. He was creating fabulous art work and nobody was buying it. Having struggled with the same issues most of my life I relate to him. NO I AM NOT contemplating suicide. What I see is the frustration of working your heart out to create a work of art and having no-one place a valid monetary value on it. I have come to the conclusion that if you don't do it for the pleasure of creating it you are kidding yourself.
Your comments are welcome
Van Gogh committed suicide at age 35. I have come ... (show quote)


On the other hand, if you post it for sale at a six-figure price, people will assumes it is a masterpiece.

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May 8, 2021 11:00:54   #
Tomcat5133 Loc: Gladwyne PA
 
kpmac wrote:
Do it for pleasue. If you sell something now and then all the better.


Henry art has always been a passion and for most artists a struggle. My best friend Myron made art his entire life.
He became a metal mobile creator making hanging structures that are beautiful and exciting.
Some of the big ones hang in buildings and people loved his work. The short of it is he struggled
for years and didn't make enough income. His studio rented and renewed by him is throwing him out after
35 years. He is broke and not well. This is not a sad story he was a spirited and creative person.
And lived a good life never married but had many friends girls and followers of his art.

i went to the School of Visual Arts in NY (SVA) and wanted to be a full time artist. Met my wife and she got pregnant. Went to work in advertising and later in media production to take care of a family all the way through college for my son and daughter. I was lucky enough to see art all over the world and took some pix.
I now want to sell some prints just getting started in my 70's. Working on collection. Tough.
Art was a part of my life. The last painting I did was 60 years ago and I always took pictures.

So why am I telling these stories. Because life is creative and just selling prints is tough.
Many photographers I know dont have studios anymore. And some the get shows usually have
a spouse or some other means of support like a working wife or husband.

Take care of yourself first. And enjoy whatever you do. Selling might happen don't give up.
On yourself of your life. Good luck. Tom

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May 8, 2021 11:11:46   #
Chiroman8
 
henrycrafter wrote:
Van Gogh committed suicide at age 35. I have come to appreciate his dilema. He was creating fabulous art work and nobody was buying it. Having struggled with the same issues most of my life I relate to him. NO I AM NOT contemplating suicide. What I see is the frustration of working your heart out to create a work of art and having no-one place a valid monetary value on it. I have come to the conclusion that if you don't do it for the pleasure of creating it you are kidding yourself.
Your comments are welcome
Van Gogh committed suicide at age 35. I have come ... (show quote)


Dear Henry,

I think you'll never go wrong remembering that "Art is in the eyes of the beholder"

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May 8, 2021 11:15:52   #
Don W-37 Loc: Bangkok, Thailand
 
Blair Shaw Jr wrote:
Welcome to the club........ Nobody values the work anymore unless it's over the top spectacular.

I quit trying to sell my prints a while back and all the small art dealers I knew are gone now. They all failed to sell even hand painted works as well and the market just collapsed starting about 5 years ago.

I do my own frames and mats and work for my personal enjoyment or as gifts to family & friends but that's all
that I do ,now. The large prints I send out for printing to Adorama and that's about the sum total of my photographic endeavors....currently.

I wish you better luck in future months but I wouldn't bet the farm on it.....nope.
Welcome to the club........ Nobody values the work... (show quote)


I think cell phone cameras and screens had a lot to do with the collapse of photography as a serious hobby among the younger folks. They are mostly interested in selfies on Facebook. Most of my students under 35 don't even own a camera other than in their phone. Everything changes...constantly. Cheers, Don

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