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May 1, 2021 16:28:02   #
User ID
 
Architect1776 wrote:
And those lenses have/had a split image focusing aid in them?
And those lenses have/had a split image focusing a... (show quote)

Riiiiiiight !!!!

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May 1, 2021 17:19:35   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
dwmoar wrote:
Did you consider that maybe the autofocus isn't always accurate, or it chooses to focus on something that you would choose not to.


The camera will do what the photographer tells it to do. BTW, some ideas here might help with AF lenses and digital cameras:

How to obtain sharp images in digital photography

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May 1, 2021 17:28:07   #
IDguy Loc: Idaho
 
JimH123 wrote:
There are several ways that camera manufacturers do this depending what kind of camera you have.

In the case of mirrorless, there is a LCD screen that the image is presented to. There is only one place that the image will be in focus, no matter the condition of your eyesight. In the case of the EVF, its the same deal, except now you are looking through the viewfinder at a smaller LCD screen. There are optics in the viewfinder that allow you to focus your eyes on this small LCD screen, and a diopter adjust in case your eye can't reach focus on the LCD screen. Since you are focusing on the LCD screen, there is only a sharp image on that screen when the camera is in focus. You cannot shift focus on the camera and correct for it by adjusting the diopter adjustment. Remember, the diopter adjust is to obtain correct focus of the LCD screen. And if the image is in focus on the screen, it will look in focus to your eye.

Optical view finders are much the same principle. There is a surface that the image is projected that is sharp only when the camera is in focus. This surface used to be ground glass. Don't know if that is what it still is a I no longer have OVF cameras. And the diopter adjust is used to allow your eye to focus on this surface. No chance that there will some other point you can find focus.

Another type is range finder and that is the alignment used to indicate focus. I haven't had one of these cameras in a long, long time, and I am not up on what modern cameras of this type do now.

But be assured that it is not like your binoculars. It is designed to find the focus of the camera and not your focus.
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Not quite.

Yes, the lens optimum focus is on one plane at a given distance. But that plane may cut many elements of the image. And the tolerance for “in focus” is set by the manufacturer.

The Nikon mirrorless cameras provide an awesome capability called “focus peaking”. When you twist the focus ring to engage manual focus it shows all the focus areas it detects in a color you have preselected.

Also note that the mirrorless cameras focus using the sensor directly so an alternate system (like your eye) isn’t involved. It obviates the need for lens fine tuning and engages the full sensor area.

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May 1, 2021 18:08:13   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
tenny52 wrote:
I don't understand this part, why people do manual on autofocus lens. Perhaps all new lens are made auto while they can't change their habit. Do they intentionally ignore the green/center dot indicator?


They just want to brag for some reason.
Reminds me of pompous professors who think they are smarter than the student until I would point out their errors and ignorance in class.
They would ask how I knew (The professor would be just out of Harvard) I would reply, "I was there."
Then they would shut up and quit pontificating.

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May 1, 2021 19:16:00   #
tenny52 Loc: San Francisco
 
dwmoar wrote:
Did you consider that maybe the autofocus isn't always accurate, or it chooses to focus on something that you would choose not to.



My old D610 can let me move my single focus spot to certain area of the screen; so I assume most newer cameras can do that or even better.
On single or center spot focusing, I can focus, lock and then reframe.
Besides, when I focus manually at center/green dot, I have little or no play at all to refine the focus. Therefore, why not just use the feature the camera provides?

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May 1, 2021 19:31:03   #
User ID
 
IDguy wrote:
Not quite.

Yes, the lens optimum focus is on one plane at a given distance. But that plane may cut many elements of the image. And the tolerance for “in focus” is set by the manufacturer.

The Nikon mirrorless cameras provide an awesome capability called “focus peaking”. When you twist the focus ring to engage manual focus it shows all the focus areas it detects in a color you have preselected.

Also note that the mirrorless cameras focus using the sensor directly so an alternate system (like your eye) isn’t involved. It obviates the need for lens fine tuning and engages the full sensor area.
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Totally off. You really missed the point.
I mean your info is more or less correct but has nothing to do with the issue in question here. Quite normal for a UHH “expert exposition”.

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May 1, 2021 21:03:20   #
williejoha
 
When working with static shots, I put the camera on my tripod and tether to my 13 computer which sits on an add on to my tripod. The Canon software allows you to use live screen in tethered mode which makes focusing a breeze. Try it, you might like it. Oh by the way I do that with a 5D III.
WJH

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May 2, 2021 18:30:43   #
ChristianHJensen
 
Actually - if you reaally want to do manual focus - there are (for many DSLR cameras) various kinds of focus screens available (obviously requires changing out the focus screen in the camera) including the tried and true split screen that used to be in manual focus SLR film cameras

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May 2, 2021 19:38:06   #
Orphoto Loc: Oregon
 
Finally the live view approach allows absolutely nailing focus perfectly. With higher resolution bodies the tolerance built in to green focus dot or even focus peaking is too much error.

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May 3, 2021 07:16:13   #
BebuLamar
 
Focusing on a binocular, telescope or even a microscope you look thru the entire optical system and the adjustment would take into account of the subject distance as well as your eye sight.
Focusing on an SLR, TLR, or view camera without any focusing aid like the micro prism or split image aid there are 2 optical system. One is the camera lens which focus the image on the focusing screen. Whether the image on the focusing screen is sharp or not doesn't depend on your eye sight. The other is the eye piece which allows you to see the focusing screen clearly and this has to accomodate your eye sight. In the case of the view camera you either use your naked eye looking directly at the focusing screen or use a loupe which isn't part of the camera.
So in an SLR (that includes the DSLR) you adjust the eye piece to see the focusing screen well depending on your eye sight. Then you evaluate of the image formed on the focusing screen by the lens.

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May 3, 2021 08:56:25   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
User ID wrote:
The simple explanation that no one has layed bare (one reply came close, but was only close, and was overly verbose) is quite simply this:

With binoculars or such, you look THROUGH the device.

You do NOT look THROUGH the camera.
You’ll often carelessly *say* that you do, but you really do not.

“Looking through the camera” is merely a figure of speech. There is really no similarity to using binoculars.

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Not so simple version:

With binoculars you actually DO look through the device. The nearest solid thing in your view is the object you’re looking at, up to miles distant.

With a camera, the thing that you are actually looking at is only 1 to 4 inches away. You ARE NOT looking at your object of interest. You are looking at a very small viewing screen right in front of your eye.
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Binoculars (refactor telescopes, microscopes rifle scopes etc) are designed to focus on a person's retina(s). The camera lens and focusing system is designed to focus on a sensor (mirrorless) or the groundglass focusing screen for the image, and in the case of an optical viewfinder, the pentamirror/pentaprism is designed to show the image on the groundglass to your retina. When using mirrorless EVF, you are looking at something somewhat similar to a groundglass image projection, but it is electronic. The optical viewfinder in a DSLR and the EVF in a mirrorless are secondary viewing systems with their own diopter setting for individual vision. In scopes and microscopes, the focus adjust is in effect adjusting for individual eyes. In the case of a binocular optic, the focus adjusts one side (primary), and the diopter is adjusted to have the other side match the focus on the primary side.

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May 4, 2021 12:23:01   #
GA shooter Loc: Rising Fawn, GA
 
E.L.. Shapiro wrote:
Manual focusing.

Of course, you need to set the eyepiece diopter adjustment so that you can simply correctly see the image on the focusing screen and the data in the viewfinder. You can make this adjustment with or without your eyeglasses as you prefer. Once you have it adjusted, unless there is another user of your camera or your eyesight changes, you can leave it in place.

If you have not used manual focus for a long time, or never used it before, your focusing technique is important. The method is to focus on the subject or yo selected point of focus- when you arrive at the sharp focus point, then go beyond that point and come back. It's called rocking in the focus and is especially important where there is shallow depth of field, with the use of long focal length or any situation where the critical focus is required. Once you practice and get used to it, you can do this quickly.

Most currently made camera bodies do not have many of the old-style focusing aids such as split-image or micro screen center spots.

Older lenses, that were intended for manually focusing film cameras. had more travel in their helical focusing mechanisms- this made of easier to focus control. Many of the lenses made of modern digital cameras have significantly less travel and may require more precise manipulation.

The absence of engraved depth of field and footage scales can make the scale hyperfocal distance techniques more difficult or impossible on modern lenses that are intended for autofocus usage.

I hope this helps.
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Very helpful and concise explanation. Thank you.

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