Hartwell wrote:
Shopping around and researching used cameras for teen & adult family portraits.
I currently do just fine with an LX7 when shooting smaller grandchildren who do not feel uncomfortable with the camera and myself being so close.
I never realized until recently that being in such proximity, even to a loved one, made me uncomfortable too.
I also just realized that instead of shopping for a camera I need to consider the price of lenses from a given manufacturer first.
I knew that lenses could get pricey, to say the least, but I see that some budget lenses from some makers are still beyond what I consider an acceptable range.
As an example, I found a used X-T30 that I was willing to consider but could not find an affordable lens for it.
My tastes are simple and my main focus is image quality, not glitz and bells and whistles that I do not have the experience to use.
A Nikon d3400-d5600 in the right range for the model would be fine if I could find an acceptable one and will continue looking.
But I am hoping that someone here will be able to guide me in the right direction.
I have also found a d600 & d610 but am terrified of the possibility of the dreaded oil marks and dust on the images.
I have no experience with Canon but would like to hear if the image quality is on par with Nikon.
My price range is a little flexible but I will not go beyond $800.
I have seen some incredible member images and I consider these an art form, but I do not need that quality; just good clear images that will seldom exceed 8x10.
Any help will be appreciated.
Is there a section of this forum for members selling cameras?
Thanks, Ken
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Hi Ken,
Here are several Canon options that might meet your needs:
Canon M50 with EF-M 15-45mm and EF-M 55-200mm lenses: $729 (
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1393462-REG/canon_2680c021_eos_m50_mirrorless_digital.html)
The M50 is a very popular camera for vlogging as well as a capable, lightweight and very compact 24MP still photo camera too. Easily able to make an 8x10" print. This is the original M50 on sale and bundled with the lenses to get the most bang for your buck. There is a new Mark II version of the M50, but there's not a lot of difference between it and the original. The two lenses cover everything from wide angle to fairly strong telephoto. If you were to buy camera and lenses separately, the cost would be more than you wanted to spend. You save a lot buying a manufacturer's bundle like this.
Canon T7i with EF-S 18-55mm STM and EF-S 55-250mm STM lenses refurbished: $720 (
https://shop.usa.canon.com/shop/en/catalog/refurbished-eos-t7i-ef-s-18-55-ef-s-55-250-is-stm-bundle)
Except for the packaging Canon refurbished are "like new" and even have the same warranty as new. It's a good way to stretch your budget, but factory refurbished are only available directly from Canon USA. It so happens that
T7i are currently out of stock, but if interested you could keep watching for them to come available. The T7i is another model that's one generation old, but still quite viable. This is a DSLR instead of a mirrorless. The T7i is a "mid-grade" consumer camera, there are a couple models below it, as well as a couple above it using the same size sensor. The lenses sold in kit with it also are a step or two up from the most entry-level.
Canon SL3 with EF-S 18-55mm STM and EF-S 55-250mm STM lenses refurbished: $719 (
https://shop.usa.canon.com/shop/en/catalog/refurbished-rebel-sl3-efs-18-55m-is-stm-lens-kit-black and
https://shop.usa.canon.com/shop/en/catalog/ef-s-55-250mm-f4-5-6-is-stm-telephoto-zoom-lens-refurbished) More factory refurbished.... The camera is currently out of stock, but only offered with the 18-55mm kit lens. The telephoto lens is available separately refurbished right now. The SL3 is very similar to the T7i, except the SL3 is the world's smallest and lightest DSLR. It has a relatively basic AF system (less sophisticated than the T7i's) and uses a smaller battery. But it's still a reasonably full-featured camera. The previous SL2 model is fine, too, if you find one. The main difference between them was improvements to video functions.
A very low-cost Canon I do not recommend buying is the T7 (note there's no "i"). It's a very basic camera that lacks many features found on the above models. While not great, the camera is okay. A bigger problem is the lenses bundled with it. Those are always the most entry-level Canon makes. The telephoto zoom in particular (EF 75-300mm III) is particularly low quality. The EF-S 55-250mm IS STM lens in the two above kits is a much better lens in all respects.
Of the above, if you anticipate shooting sports the T7i probably has the best AF system for that, though it would be possible to shoot with the other cameras too. Another advantage of the T7i is that it can optionally be fitted with a battery grip that allows you to use two batteries, as well as providing a neat vertical grip and secondary controls. The other cameras do not offer that option. The mirrorless M50 system is quite small and has limited lenses, but can use all EF/EF-S lenses (made for the DSLR system) quite well via an inexpensive adapter. As mentioned, the SL3 is the one of the smallest and lightest DSLRs anyone has made. Even so, it's got a lot of the same features as the larger T7i. (Features that the T7 lacks, such as a self-cleaning sensor.)
Again, Canon factory refurbished are a good way to stretch your budget, but are only available bought direct from Canon. There's little difference from new. I just bought a refurbished lens and it came in a plain brown box, but otherwise was no different from brand new and works perfectly. Other brands sell refurbished, too... but most of them I've looked into don't have as long a warranty as Canon. Used gear may come with a store warranty, but it's also usually shorter than what you get buying new. This type of used equipment warranty isn't with the manufacturer... it's with the store and if something fails they'll either have it fixed or replace it with a similar item or refund your money. Reputable used equipment dealers (KEH, MPB, Adorama, B&H, Roberts Camera and a few others) can be trusted. But some others may not be as reliable. Purchasing from a private party gets you no warranty at all (even with newer gear that's still in warranty... it's not transferable).
There are similar possibilities in other brands, I'm sure. You're smart to look beyond the camera itself at the other things needed, such as lenses. Think of buying a system, not just a camera. Maybe you'll want to add to it in the future, though any of the above would be a good start.
Be a little careful. There are good deals online... and there are too-good-to-be-true deals online. Watch out for the "shysters" who pull bait n switch or sell you gray market items (also called "store warranty" and "international warranty"). Those have no warranty at all, though to be fair it's rarely needed. Most gear works fine right from new. But.... if for some reason it doesn't, a few $ saved buying gray market can end up costing you more than just buying "right". Basically if you see prices significantly less than what Adorama, B&H Photo and a few other places offer, be suspicious. Also be wary if you see a big "bundle" of goodies in addition to the camera and lenses. Sometimes places like Adorama or B&H throw in a decent camera bag or a memory card or something useful like organizing and editing software.... But other places take it to the extreme with all sorts of "freebies" (lens cleaning kits, tripods, auxiliary lenses, non-name memory cards, filters, maybe a flash and more). Most of that stuff is cheap junk that's a waste of money.
Have fun shopping!