Is mirrorless better than sliced bread?
Apr 28, 2021 15:13:39 #
Cubanphoto wrote:
Bad comparison. Good bread, very good brad is not sliced!
Well, not until you are ready to toast it! But then, the right thickness is everything! You know, just like knowing what you want to achieve with an image is everything before you push the release!
Apr 28, 2021 16:08:32 #
burkphoto wrote:
[Warning, rant ahead]
If you're talking about chgcanon, he's no troll. He's just making little snide, tongue-in-cheek, sarcastic comments about the nature of the header question, which, IMHO, is what's "trolling" here.
If you're talking about chgcanon, he's no troll. He's just making little snide, tongue-in-cheek, sarcastic comments about the nature of the header question, which, IMHO, is what's "trolling" here.
Yes…that’s the one and he does have some good comments and suggestions…but I can almost guarantee that on a daily or so visit he will have more than one of those little snide comments…I get that he thinks mirrorless is better and in some cases he is right but there are still things that outside of the $6K+ bodies a DSLR does better. He also has stated more than once that a mirrorless will make a bad photographer better all on its own, that no non-mirrorless can take a good image, and that he can tell whether an image was taken by a mirrorless or DSLR…all of which are just wrong.
Yes…in 5 years you won’t be able to buy a DSLR and mirrorless will be better but that’s not because of the lack of a mirror…it is because improved sensors, AF, processors and all the other stuff that comes along with the mirrorless because that’s where vendors are spending R&D and that has a lot to do with them being cheaper to make due to less mechanical complexity as well as size, weight, and increased reliability due to less complexity.
His continuous comments that only true photographers are those with mirrorless ignores all those facts as well as the needs, wants, skills, limitations, and requirements of an individual shooter.
The fact remains that 80% of a good photo comes from 4 inches behind the viewfinder…his/her vision, composition, settings selection, and post processing…and the vast majority of the remaining 20% can be easily achieved by by any current DSLR, mirrorless, or point and shoot.
That said…I do have a Z7II on order…but I didn’t buy it because of the lack of a mirror…I was interested in a technology upgrade with better sensor, AF, and all that…and because it is obvious to anyone that DSLRs are a dead end development wise. I recognize that and am starting my transition…but his sarcastic insulting comments turn people off…and as I said he does have good things to say when he isn’t trying to act like a smart-alek teenager. A little nice goes a long way…
In this thread alone he has 12 comments and counting…and exactly 1 of them has something other than a sarcastic humorless comment about the superiority of mirrorless. Give it a break already…
Apr 28, 2021 17:41:50 #
Apr 29, 2021 08:51:46 #
David Martin
Loc: Cary, NC
neillaubenthal wrote:
His continuous comments that only true photographers are those with mirrorless
Actually those remarks usually strike me as being made sarcastically, poking fun at those who think that purchasing a mirrorless or better-in-some-way camera might make one a better photographer, and that the remarks are not made seriously at all. Shows how lack of facial expression, vocal intonation, etc. will obscure the intent behind the printed word. And how careful one should be before posting, especially if the stated opinion really doesn't address the initial question asked.
Apr 29, 2021 19:18:00 #
IDguy
Loc: Idaho
rmalarz wrote:
The viewfinder is showing me the scene in real-time. I've noticed the delay in the EVF cameras I've tried. So, I'm knowing and it's not nonsense. That alone is annoying.
--Bob
--Bob
You are wrong on both counts. With a DSLR you do not get the image you saw in the viewfinder before the mirror did its thing.
You must have tried EVF long ago or on inferior makes.
Apr 29, 2021 19:22:13 #
Change is the law of life. And those who look only into mirrors are certain to miss the future.
Apr 29, 2021 23:30:42 #
baron_silverton
Loc: Los Angeles, CA
CHG_CANON wrote:
Change is the law of life. And those who look only into mirrors are certain to miss the future.
Haha - well said!
Apr 30, 2021 00:34:43 #
CHG_CANON wrote:
Change is the law of life. And those who look only into mirrors are certain to miss the future.
... and believe that left is right and right is left.
Apr 30, 2021 06:02:57 #
Sidwalkastronomy wrote:
love some good itialian bread for dipping in clam sauce
That's the way I like it - still warm from my oven, like this beauty:
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Apr 30, 2021 06:44:43 #
Gene51 wrote:
That's the way I like it - still warm from my oven, like this beauty:
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WOW!
Started with raw ingredients and post processed into this marvel! Excellent!
Apr 30, 2021 10:04:15 #
neillaubenthal wrote:
Yes…that’s the one and he does have some good comm... (show quote)
I don't for a minute think that Paul believes the remarks he makes are anything more than tongue-in-cheek. He is a seriously good photographer who uses several different systems including dSLR, SLR (film), and mirrorless. Overall, his concern — similar to yours and mine — seems to be that people put undue emphasis on their technology, rather than their techniques and use of suitable tools for tasks. Apparently, his gentle sarcastic humor escapes some readers.
MILCs are better for some things. dSLRs are better for others. A Prius is better than an F150 if you need a commuter car. An F150 is better when you need to haul a load of sandbags or pull a trailer. Life is full of little trade-offs.
Those of us long-timers here who answer newbie questions see the same 20-30 general themes pop up over and over again. There is a huge temptation to react with, "Not another dSLR vs Mirrorless or JPEG vs Raw or Mac vs PC" sort of thread...
It's especially frustrating when we see people asking the wrong questions about something, when they would have a much better experience with photography if they asked the right ones. Inevitably, most attempts at redirection result in insults: "How dare you drift away from answering the OP's original question?" Never mind that answering the original questions could lead the askers astray. Sometimes we learn more from taking side trips than from reading the markers on the main road! And sometimes the GPS is just wrong.
Apr 30, 2021 15:58:53 #
dsmeltz wrote:
WOW!
Started with raw ingredients and post processed into this marvel! Excellent!
Started with raw ingredients and post processed into this marvel! Excellent!
Thanks!
Open crumb, light but with that wonderful chewy bite, and super crispy crust - I make this 2x a week. 24 hour - 30 hour cold ferment. A flavor like you wouldn't believe.
May 2, 2021 13:05:15 #
burkphoto wrote:
I don't for a minute think that Paul believes the ... (show quote)
He may be seriously good…but that’s not relevant. There is no…zero…zilch reason to spout his continuous drivel…that mirrorless is clearly superior but some people re too stupid to figure it out…that mirrorless added to your gear will instantly transform one from irredeemably bad to the next Adams…and that all you need to do to be a photographer is buy a mirrorless full frame Canon body and lenses. All of that is frankly a load of BS…the photo is 80% responsible for the vision to take the photo and get what he wants…and frankly one can get outstanding images from even a phone camera…but I’ve never once read him saying nothing like that…he has stated as fact that he can tell…just by looking at the image…whether it is a mirrorless shot and therefore obviously of superior merit…or whether it is a DSLR shot and thereby only worthy of being deleted…again a complete load of BS.
As I said…he may be good…but he is also a troll…constantly…in this very thread he has at lest a dozen posts and all but one or two are the same tired drivel.
May 2, 2021 13:23:11 #
There are three responses to a great image: yes, no, or they must have used a mirrorless camera.
May 2, 2021 16:28:14 #
neillaubenthal wrote:
He may be seriously good…but that’s not relevant. ... (show quote)
Trolls don’t post over 23,600 times on UHH…
Note that his signature says he has/uses a dSLR, an MILC, and an SLR!
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