bshine3742 Loc: Florida

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bshine3742 Loc: Florida

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bshine3742 Loc: Florida

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baron_silverton Loc: Los Angeles, CA

It looks like a lot of people here just want to tell you that you don't need to get something new and objectively that may be true, but maybe you want to, so here is a take from someone that also shot Nikon DSLR and had a lot of F mount lenses and has switched (and would do it again) to mirrorless.

Get the Nikon.

If you have a lot of glass already for your D850 then you likely already have a lot of very good glass and likley it is G or E series lenses which means they work better on the Z cameras than they even do on your DSLR. Yes, better. They are better because in addition to having the exact same IQ (there are no new elements between the rear lens element and the sensor) as before, they gain the added benefit of 3 axis image stabilization (IBIS) and now you have focus points across the entire frame - not just clumped in the middle.

Once you are ready to upgrade lenses - which you will now be able to do at your own pace since all your existing lenses will work perfectly, you can get the S line Z mount lenses which are second to none in the industry - nothin Sony makes is 'better' than S Line Z lenses - it may be different, and/or comparable but not better. For example, the trinity of zooms (14-24, 24-70 and 70-200 - all 2.8) S Line lenses for Z are second to none and as good and some argue better than any available for any system currently - they are without a doubt as good as any other whether or not they are 'better' - some of this is subjective anyway.

As for as long reach - Nikon is releasing a 400mm and a 600mm (probably f/2.8 and 4 respectively) sometime in the next 10 months or so, and also there is a 200-600 zoom coming in that time frame as well. Nikon has already released a 1.4 and 2X teleconverter for the Z lens system which currently works with the 70-200 and will undoubtedly work with the 200-600 and the 400 and 600 fixed lenses if you need even more reach.

If you are worried about rolling shutter - this is more of a sensor issue than a firmware one. Essentially you need very fast sensor read out speeds to avoid this and the newest sensors have this. In the Sony line, only the A9II and new A1 have this - both cameras very expensive. The A1 has reduced rolling shutter the most (more than the A9II) but has not eliminated it outright and this camera is $6500.

The current Nikon Z7 II is a great camera in most of the respects that the D850 was, but not all. It still lacks a little in subject tracking - although they releases FW today that addresses this, so maybe it is as good as of today but I don't know and tend to doubt it.

They are releasing a new camera later this year - the Z9. This camera will be the best Nikon ever made and will be better than the D850 in every respect. It will also have a stacked sensor so, like the Sony A1, it will have minimal rolling shutter, however it will also be $6500 so this may not really help.

That said, the next generation of Z cameras (i.e the Z7 III and the rumored Z8) will likely have the new and improved tech from the Z9 at D850 prices so you might just want to hold off for like 12 months or so. I'm sure your D850 can hold you over until then and its worth the wait so you can use all your existing glass. If you switch to Sony now, you will need to spend a lot of money on a body that does what you are looking for and you will have no lenses and then have to spend a lot more. To get a Sony A1 now with a couple really good lenses for what you are talking about will cost you anywhere from 10k to 30k - better to save most of that money, wait 12 months - get a Nikon that will be in every way as good by then and use all your existing glass.

As a compromise you could buy the Z7 II right now (which is an excellent camera that has some of the best dynamic range in the business - rated even higher than the D850) and keep your D850 - use all the same lenses on both cameras and then in a year trade in your Z7 II for the newest Nikon that does it all. Yes you will lose about 1k in value but thats cheap for renting for a year, and you will have saved all that money not reinvesting in a new system so you can then spend on some class leading Z glass.

In short, you probably do not NEED a new camera - most people do not, but there is a time when you feel you want to move on from what you've got - I get that. I did moving from my D750 to the Z6 and now Z6II and I do not regret it - the Z6II is a superior camera to the D750 is every way that matters to me - for pro portraits and for events - and it makes my existing F mount lenses work even better and the Z glass is awesome - so for me it made sense. You'll have to decide for you - but if your main concern is long telephoto shooting and avoiding rolling shutter then wait a year and get the new Nikon's that come out then - you will have tons of lenses that work right away and all the other benefits of mirrorless (and there are many - that's for another discussion). You will have saved money and be able to buy more new Z lenses then and in the meantime I'm sure that your D850 will still kill it for another year. The compromise if you want to just get going is to buy the Z7 II body only - or maybe with the 24-70 F/4 kit lens which is a pro IQ lens, and then just share your F mount lenses with the two bodies (Z7II and D850) while you wait for the new Nikon cameras to arrive and give you everything that you want.

Going Sony now though would be foolish - you would be starting over, and have no appreciable advantage over staying with Nikon - you would spend much more money, and could not use your F mount lenses as they adapt poorly to Sony E mount.

Hope this helps.

neillaubenthal

I suggest giving up on the troll…he's continuously putting out BS that a mirrorless will make you a better photographer, that you can't make a good image without one, that only Canon makes a decent camera, and that only a full frame model makes any sense to buy and other formats are useless. He ignores the 80/4 rule that 80% of a good image comes from 4 inches behind the viewfinder, that other camera brands/formats/type can make a good image…and even claims that he can tell the difference between a DSLR photo and a mirrorless one.

neillaubenthal

Every once in a while you actually have something relevant to the question to say and I've seen you give courteous and helpful advice. Unfortunately…your incessant trolling leads many to ignore your worthwhile posts.

CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City

Photography is easy when you don’t know how, and even difficult when you refuse to go mirrorless.

bshine3742 Loc: Florida

I dont really have top cameras, one is a nikon dslr d5300 and a canon rebel t7, nothing very expensive, I love both the nikon and the canon, but I want something that is able to give much more performance, I cant afford a camera of Sony or NIkon at 6700, I wish, but thats a lot of money dishing out , if I had it , I would spend on it if I were a professional photographer, out shooting for National geographic, or celebrities, but that is only a pipe dream, getting to old, and probably would never be good enough,

burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC

[Warning, rant ahead]

If you're talking about chgcanon, he's no troll. He's just making little snide, tongue-in-cheek, sarcastic comments about the nature of the header question, which, IMHO, is what's "trolling" here. "Is mirrorless better than sliced bread?" Yes. No. Maybe. Who the [six deleted expletives] cares? I love his quips.

We see these threads all the time. Long-time UHH users are used to them. They go on for days, sometimes 20 pages or more. What do they accomplish? Mostly amusing a bunch of us grumpy old farts with egos and time to burn.

Yeah, mirrorless is better than bread, unless you want to make a sandwich!

Whether mirrorless is better than mirrored, depends... on a lot of situational conditions.

dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia

Is mirrorless better than sliced bread?

Depends on what you want.

If you want a BLT, nothing beats a well toasted sliced bread.

If you want a photo, ......

larryepage Loc: North Texas area

AAAHHHH...but you've stumbled on something of an example here. I've learned that BLTs are now considered completely passe by "those who really matter." IF you're not eating BLTAs, you are completely out of the loop. It's a completely new idea that absolutely blows away the old, outmoded choice. The addition of avocado represents a completely new food 'technology' that renders the old BLT completely obsolete and unsuitable for consumption, at least in public.

dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia

NOT MORE AVOCADO!!!!


By the way "avocado" is the funniest fruit name. It is just funny. Saying it makes me laugh!

A-VO-CA-DO!!!! LOL

larryepage Loc: North Texas area

But if you tried one, if you really gave it a chance, you would clearly see how it is so superior in so many ways. Especially on a hot summer day, when it is soooooooo refreshing...

dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia

So I should move to San Diego?!?!?

Fredrick Loc: Former NYC, now San Francisco Bay Area

You have to look for it in the box when you buy a Fuji Mirrorless camera, but their is a little white packet of magic powder you can sprinkle on the camera body. Most people miss it.