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Apr 23, 2021 16:36:56   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
Texcaster wrote:
Puffy Turtle - "Which one of you convicts can explain the 'Paris Libtard Deal'?"

Convict - "Not me Boss, I'm shaking the bush! Maybe Fox knows."


Uh huh, a ridiculous asinine cartoon as I stated before. Is that all you got? I was correct in that you and krackhead should be twins or at least family from your similar childish actions. Try discussing on an adult level as you did a minute ago. That was a pleasant change. Otherwise I can't help but wonder if you are Edgar Bergen, Charlie McCarthy or Mortimer Snerd.

Dennis

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Apr 23, 2021 16:46:04   #
Texcaster Loc: Queensland
 
dennis2146 wrote:
Uh huh, a ridiculous asinine cartoon as I stated before. Is that all you got? I was correct in that you and krackhead should be twins or at least family from your similar childish actions. Try discussing on an adult level as you did a minute ago. That was a pleasant change. Otherwise I can't help but wonder if you are Edgar Bergen, Charlie McCarthy or Mortimer Snerd.

Dennis


Go kick a prisoner Capt'n or invade the capitol again. Take your pick.

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Apr 23, 2021 18:03:17   #
GeorgeH Loc: Jonesboro, GA
 
dennis2146 wrote:
Deflection??? You brought up Trump's voracious ego and adulation from his base. Should I not have brought up those very same qualities about Obama and Biden? Obama truly did have adulation from his base and I brought up an example of that. I disagreed about Trump having any adulation from his base. We simply liked the accomplishments he made for America.

I had thought from your post there would be no cost. You might recall I specifically asked about Billions of dollars spent. Your answer sort of led me to believe each country would just do its best to keep the temperature down by 1.5 to 2 degrees. Then I saw there was a 2 Billion dollar cost to the United Nations. I am curious as to where THAT money, 2 Billion dollars is going to be spent, whose pocket(s) will it go into. Shouldn't everyone be curious as to what that money will be spent on?

Dennis
Deflection??? You brought up Trump's voracious eg... (show quote)


We were talking about Trump's abrogating the Paris Accords. Neither Biden nor Obama had anything to do with that, dragging them into the "discussion" was deflection on your part. Certainly Trump reveled in the adoring crowds at his rallies, he is a born huckster and con artist. Neither Obama nor Biden have those "talents," for which we should all be grateful, IMHO.
Certainly an audit of the Green Climate initiative would be in order. In no way did I suggest that each country would "just do its best" to keep the temperature rise 1.5 or 2 degrees, probably Centigrade. Nor did I say or imply that slowing or stopping climate change would be cost-free.

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Apr 24, 2021 00:56:22   #
Tex-s
 
dennis2146 wrote:
Very interesting. I loved reading the comments at the end. The first person stated that everyone accepted climate change except for the Republicans. My exact words, not his. I find it comical that those words were not true then nor are they now. I am a Republican. I believe in climate change. I see it for myself when areas I hunt years ago were covered in snow and today, not so much. Yes there is climate change.

But my belief is that the earth has always been changing and nothing much we mere mortals will do to stop that change. Can anyone tell me the climate was not different millions of years ago? Swamp to ice age etc. Who can tell me the earth is not simply warming again as it has for millions of years. At some point when I won't be here, none of us will, it will most likely cool again.

Democrats want us to send Billions of dollars to the Paris Accord that President Trump dropped out of. I have asked numerous times right here. What will the money be used for? Not one person has supplied an answer. So here we are in America, once again, being asked to pay for a problem that affects the entire planet and apparently nobody has any idea how the money will be used? Research, shooting rockets up into the atmosphere to seed rain clouds, putting cash into some politicians pocket? How??? Yet we are just supposed to send them money. I can't help but wonder if some Nigerian Prince is behind all of this.

Dennis
Very interesting. I loved reading the comments at... (show quote)


Don't forget, William Nordhaus won a Nobel Prize for work that concluded that current climate models (not those extrapolated a couple of decades ago) show a far lower increase in temperatures than predicted, AND that until actual climate changes exceed the new models' prediction, it is economically detrimental to install Draconian taxation, carbon taxes, and other measures to reduce climate change. Not only does Nordhaus represent "science" but represents Nobel winning science.

https://www.econlib.org/library/Columns/y2018/MurphyNordhaus.html

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Apr 24, 2021 01:07:56   #
Wyantry Loc: SW Colorado
 
Triple G wrote:
There are many success stories. Each country/entity is autonomous and the PA recognizes their sovereignty and is geared to reaching the measuring agreed upon goals.

https://www.wri.org/insights/6-signs-progress-adoption-paris-agreement


Oh, that is really nice and "touchy-feely", but what if the signatories still refuse to cut emissions?
What then?
Are you seriously thinking of getting the U. S. to pay for cleaning up when other major polluters will not?

I cry "Bovine Excrement"!

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Apr 24, 2021 04:17:31   #
Texcaster Loc: Queensland
 
dennis2146 wrote:
Uh huh, a ridiculous asinine cartoon as I stated before. Is that all you got? I was correct in that you and krackhead should be twins or at least family from your similar childish actions. Try discussing on an adult level as you did a minute ago. That was a pleasant change. Otherwise I can't help but wonder if you are Edgar Bergen, Charlie McCarthy or Mortimer Snerd.

Dennis


I disagree. "Puffy Turtle" is an image that is always going to work as poetic ridicule.

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Apr 25, 2021 10:13:29   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
Texcaster wrote:
I disagree. "Puffy Turtle" is an image that is always going to work as poetic ridicule.


Just as showing cartoons of Democrats doing their best to be corrupt and against the free principles will always work too, right. A brilliant cartoon showing Monica Lewinsky under Bill Clinton's desk and then another of Joe Biden sniffing a 6 month baby girl with a caption of, "Can't wait until you are 11", would work, right? Works for me. Hey, how about one with Hillary Clinton wielding a sledge hammer on a mobile phone with one hand and pouring bleach from a gallon bottle on the phone with the other hand. Of course there would be a shredder in the background with a continuous line of 30,000 documents automatically feeding into it.

Of course many people outgrow cartoon bullshit. Guess you never did. It shows.

Dennis

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Apr 25, 2021 10:20:26   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
GeorgeH wrote:
We were talking about Trump's abrogating the Paris Accords. Neither Biden nor Obama had anything to do with that, dragging them into the "discussion" was deflection on your part. Certainly Trump reveled in the adoring crowds at his rallies, he is a born huckster and con artist. Neither Obama nor Biden have those "talents," for which we should all be grateful, IMHO.
Certainly an audit of the Green Climate initiative would be in order. In no way did I suggest that each country would "just do its best" to keep the temperature rise 1.5 or 2 degrees, probably Centigrade. Nor did I say or imply that slowing or stopping climate change would be cost-free.
We were talking about Trump's abrogating the Paris... (show quote)


Have it your way. Of course I disagree but not a problem.

Dennis

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Apr 25, 2021 13:21:42   #
DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods
 
dennis2146 wrote:
Thanks for posting that. I ALMOST quit reading when I saw Greta Thunberg's name. I won't get into the idiocy of the Left putting their eggs in her basket. But I will say my 13 year old granddaughter has said the same thing about keeping air clean and living in a clean environment. I am sure millions of people have said the same thing. Yet they are not on the cover of Time Magazine.

But this of course is not all about that idiotic little kid. I do appreciate what some companies are doing for the world. Great!!! But again, why would America send Trillions of dollars to the Paris Accord?

Dennis
Thanks for posting that. I ALMOST quit reading wh... (show quote)


In you previous post it was billions . Now it trillions ?

Actually it $ 3billion or about 9.41 per person - middle of the pack funding

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/06/02/climate/trump-paris-green-climate-fund.html

It goes to fund projects around the world in developing countries/areas

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Apr 25, 2021 13:29:57   #
Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan
 
GeorgeH wrote:
We were talking about Trump's abrogating the Paris Accords. Neither Biden nor Obama had anything to do with that, dragging them into the "discussion" was deflection on your part. Certainly Trump reveled in the adoring crowds at his rallies, he is a born huckster and con artist. Neither Obama nor Biden have those "talents," for which we should all be grateful, IMHO.
Certainly an audit of the Green Climate initiative would be in order. In no way did I suggest that each country would "just do its best" to keep the temperature rise 1.5 or 2 degrees, probably Centigrade. Nor did I say or imply that slowing or stopping climate change would be cost-free.
We were talking about Trump's abrogating the Paris... (show quote)


According to an ongoing temperature analysis conducted by scientists at NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS), the average global temperature on Earth has increased by a little more than 1° Celsius (2° Fahrenheit) since 1880.

I ask you, what is the perfect temperature for the earth? Can we demonstrate that one setting on the global thermostat is preferable over another? What is our goal? I don’t ask this flippantly to you of the Party of Science. Would a warmer climate in some areas actually improve living conditions? Would such improvement (health, crop production, lifestyle) balance any negative impact from this phenomenon?

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Apr 25, 2021 16:28:18   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
DennyT wrote:
In you previous post it was billions . Now it trillions ?

Actually it $ 3billion or about 9.41 per person - middle of the pack funding

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/06/02/climate/trump-paris-green-climate-fund.html

It goes to fund projects around the world in developing countries/areas


Once again, more lying corrupt bullshit. Whether it is a dollar to Billions or Trillions (while you are being a smart ass I mentioned earlier I have no idea nor does anybody else).

Why the hell should America pay so much as a penny to cleanup another country? Let those other countries borrow from China to clean up their own G. D. country. Trump was RIGHT to pull out.

Dennis

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Apr 25, 2021 16:40:46   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
Tex-s wrote:
Don't forget, William Nordhaus won a Nobel Prize for work that concluded that current climate models (not those extrapolated a couple of decades ago) show a far lower increase in temperatures than predicted, AND that until actual climate changes exceed the new models' prediction, it is economically detrimental to install Draconian taxation, carbon taxes, and other measures to reduce climate change. Not only does Nordhaus represent "science" but represents Nobel winning science.

https://www.econlib.org/library/Columns/y2018/MurphyNordhaus.html
Don't forget, William Nordhaus won a Nobel Prize f... (show quote)


One Nobel winning scientist doesn't really cut it. William Shockley was a Nobel winning scientist who later unleashed a ghastly theory about blacks de evolving.

Shockley invented the transistor, Nordhaus was an economist. Being brilliant in one area doesn't necessarily translate to brilliance in other areas.

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Apr 25, 2021 16:45:27   #
Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan
 
thom w wrote:
One Nobel winning scientist doesn't really cut it. William Shockley was a Nobel winning scientist who later unleashed a ghastly theory about blacks de evolving.

Shockley invented the transistor, Nordhaus was an economist. Being brilliant in one area doesn't necessarily translate to brilliance in other areas.


Didn't Obama win a Peace Prize for starting a war in Libya and getting our ambassador killed?

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Apr 25, 2021 17:23:04   #
DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods
 
The issue is not necessarily global climate “warming”.. it climate “ change “ - drastic at times.

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Apr 25, 2021 19:24:35   #
Wyantry Loc: SW Colorado
 
Fotoartist wrote:
According to an ongoing temperature analysis conducted by scientists at NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS), the average global temperature on Earth has increased by a little more than 1° Celsius (2° Fahrenheit) since 1880.

I ask you, what is the perfect temperature for the earth? Can we demonstrate that one setting on the global thermostat is preferable over another? What is our goal? I don’t ask this flippantly to you of the Party of Science. Would a warmer climate in some areas actually improve living conditions? Would such improvement (health, crop production, lifestyle) balance any negative impact from this phenomenon?
According to an ongoing temperature analysis condu... (show quote)


There does not seem to be a consensus concerning planetary temperatures; not among climatologists, nor environmentalists, and certainly not amongst politicians.

What we do know, from geologic evidence, is that Earth has had major temperature alterations in the past. There is indisputable evidence of higher oxygen and carbon dioxide levels; the oxygen allowing for extremely large insects. (One example is dragonflies with ~ 24+ inch wing spans). The high CO2 levels promoted rampant plant growth. There is also indisputable evidence of near world-wide glaciation.

So NOBODY can actually claim to know what any “ideal” temperature is or should be!

The big hooraw is the apparent RATE OF CHANGE that has many concerned. And nobody knows FOR CERTAIN what an “ideal” change rate IS! either!

There is some thought that higher temperature will create more oceanic evaporation. This will cause more precipitation and (more frequent and stronger) storms which will start a swing toward more snowfall and potential glaciation—and the cycle starts all over again.

AGAIN!

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