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Apr 22, 2021 12:18:01   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
burkphoto wrote:
Yes, there were raster graphics printers before PostScript. What PostScript did was to revolutionize the printing industry, by creating a page description language that could combine raster graphics, vector graphics, and vector-scalable fonts. Aldus took one look at it, Adobe fonts, and the Mac, and saw the opportunity to build a page layout tool. That became PageMaker.

Meanwhile, Linotype Hell, Compugraphics, and others built PostScript imagesetters that could do with a laser what used to take about ten steps to do manually, and photographically, in traditional offset printing companies.

I followed all this as a user and systems implementer in the yearbook and school portrait industry. We put a lot of early desktop publishing tools in our companies. We had HUGE respect for Adobe, at the same time they annoyed the crap out of us.

Canon, HP, Tektronix, and many others had their own page description languages for office laser printers, but suddenly found that they needed to license PostScript or a near-exact clone of it to compete.

PageMaker and its key competitor, QuarkXPress, took over the pre-press world and the "desktop publishing" revolution was underway in the mid-to-late 1980s. Adobe developed the PDF file format to move PostScript pages from pre-press people to printing houses. Later, the format would became ubiquitous for replacing direct mail marketing and reference documents with online downloads. My wife works in marketing. Her company replaced a warehouse full of literature with a web server stocked with PDFs of the same literature! Bits beat atoms...

PostScript clone makers soon popped up like weeds. Some clones were awful, but others would do *almost* everything PostScript could do. In 1990, I put a massive 92 page per minute Kodak LED printer in our photo lab, to make millions of portrait package quality guarantee inserts each month in the fall. It was a PostScript clone, so we had to avoid certain characters. Later, we swapped it for a pair of 45 PPM Océ printers that used a different engine capable of personalizing PostScript documents from our mainframe data. They were all driven by Adobe PageMaker running on a few Macs.

I put a Tektronix wax thermal PostScript printer in our marketing department for quick proofing uses. The IT guy got mad when I figured out it ran three times faster via TCP/IP than it did on our standard Novell Netware network print server, and without slowing down the rest of the network. (God, I hated Novell! What a scam... I'm so glad the rest of the IT universe figured that out.)

I put a Linotype Hell film imagesetter in the lab to make title overlays for group pictures on line film. Later, I set up a system of Canon color copiers driven with Fiery PostScript raster image processors from images on our Kodak DP2 lab software servers and personalized data merged by a third party app, Planet Press. They made all of our portrait proofs.

We had 12 PCs running Photoshop for portrait retouching (and for spotting scans of film images in the early 2000s). In 1999, we had 30 Macs doing pre-press prep in PageMaker, driven from a MS FoxPro database, putting together memory book (elementary school yearbook) portrait panel pages. Output was to a Compugraphic film imagesetter at our printing plant.

None of that would have been possible without PostScript and Adobe software. May Mr. Geschke rest in peace and not be forgotten for his leadership and contributions.
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That’s a great history Bill - thanks for the information. I was on the T&M (test and measurement) side of Tektronix, but was familiar with their graphic products and used to have a wax printer at home after they discontinued it (impossible to maintain). At one moment in time, Tektronix was a powerhouse in graphics with their Plot 50 SW and they were a leader in storing images on the face of a CRT and dominated that technology. All that changed when RAM became cheap and digital images were stored in RAM instead of analog on the phosphor of a CRT, and Tek dropped out of the graphics business. Kind of similar to what happened to Kodak...

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Apr 22, 2021 12:25:34   #
cahale Loc: San Angelo, TX
 
bittermelon wrote:
In 1980 John Warnock and Charles Geschke created a way to send files from a computer to a printer. They formed a company to market their system.

Name this company (without the help from Google. And if you don't know the name of this company, you should turn in your photographer's badge now.)


Geschke died today at 81. RIP.


I don't know who, when, where, or why Sony started. Should I throw all my equipment in the trash? I don't know the answer, but since we are talking about computer printing of photographs, Adobe?

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Apr 22, 2021 12:36:50   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
TriX wrote:
That’s a great history Bill - thanks for the information. I was on the T&M (test and measurement) side of Tektronix, but was familiar with their graphic products and used to have a wax printer at home after they discontinued it (impossible to maintain). At one moment in time, Tektronix was a powerhouse in graphics with their Plot 50 SW and they were a leader in storing images on the face of a CRT and dominated that technology. All that changed when RAM became cheap and digital images were stored in RAM instead of analog on the phosphor of a CRT, and Tek dropped out of the graphics business. Kind of similar to what happened to Kodak...
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Paradigm shift... It killed our business too, forcing massive consolidations. Kodak went bankrupt because the market for film and prints died so quickly. Their management either did not see that coming, or like deer in headlights, didn't know what to do.

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Apr 22, 2021 13:12:43   #
Brucej67 Loc: Cary, NC
 
bittermelon wrote:
In 1980 John Warnock and Charles Geschke created a way to send files from a computer to a printer. They formed a company to market their system.

Name this company (without the help from Google. And if you don't know the name of this company, you should turn in your photographer's badge now.)


Geschke died today at 81. RIP.


I did that in 1967, it was called IOCS (Input Output Control System) programmed in assembler.
https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/zvse/6.2?topic=concepts-inputoutput-control-system-iocs

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Apr 22, 2021 13:19:10   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
Brucej67 wrote:
I did that in 1967, it was called IOCS (Input Output Control System) programmed in assembler.
https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/zvse/6.2?topic=concepts-inputoutput-control-system-iocs


360 system?

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Apr 22, 2021 13:44:07   #
pego101
 
TriX wrote:
Adobe was founded in 1982, and there were laser printers well before then. After Postscript was released there were postscript printers to specifically use the format, but where most people encountered Adobe for the first time were adobe fonts (before Truetype fonts were introduced). When I was at Tektronix, we were producing high end color graphic printers in the early-mid 80s.


The postscript language was genius. It made the Apple laserwriters very successful. There was even postscript software for an epson printer I had.

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Apr 22, 2021 14:18:41   #
aasilver
 
I hate to burst your bubble but....

John Warnock and Charles Geschke were 'graduates' of Xerox PARC (Palo Alto Research Center). In 1973 PARC (Chuck Thacker) invented the personal computer (Alto) and they also invented the 'network' which allowed them to send files to a laser printer (Dover) which printed B & W at 1 page per second. The software used was called Bravo. Why do I know?? Because I was there and worked with them. We also invented the 1st color laser printer in 1976 called Pimlico. All this was done before the end of 1976.

Check it out in 'Fumbling the Future : How Xerox Invented, Then Ignored, the First Personal Computer'.

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Apr 22, 2021 16:19:02   #
bittermelon
 
Thanks Burk. That was educational.

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Apr 22, 2021 23:48:15   #
nobler
 
When he said, "turn in your photographer's badge," I thought, "Kodak?"

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Apr 23, 2021 08:07:32   #
gwcole
 
TriX wrote:
When I was at Tektronix, we were producing high end color graphic printers in the early-mid 80s.


My wife and I worked at Tektronics in Beaverton for year in the early 1970's - factory jobs. I used to silk screen resistors and capacitors onto a ceramic chip. I printed 3,000 in a shift. After printing I placed them on a cookie sheet and put them on a heated shelf to dry. Then loaded them in rows of five to go through a kiln. After they were laser trimmed by someone else I dipped them in solder and cleaned them up if necessary. All in seven hours. It was not the most interesting job.

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Apr 23, 2021 14:25:17   #
BebuLamar
 
bittermelon wrote:
In 1980 John Warnock and Charles Geschke created a way to send files from a computer to a printer. They formed a company to market their system.

Name this company (without the help from Google. And if you don't know the name of this company, you should turn in your photographer's badge now.)


Geschke died today at 81. RIP.


I didn't have to Google. I knew Warnock was the inventor of Postscript and of course later found Adobe.

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Apr 23, 2021 15:30:45   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
gwcole wrote:
My wife and I worked at Tektronics in Beaverton for year in the early 1970's - factory jobs. I used to silk screen resistors and capacitors onto a ceramic chip. I printed 3,000 in a shift. After printing I placed them on a cookie sheet and put them on a heated shelf to dry. Then loaded them in rows of five to go through a kiln. After they were laser trimmed by someone else I dipped them in solder and cleaned them up if necessary. All in seven hours. It was not the most interesting job.


I wouldn’t think so. I had a part time research technician job at Corning Glass works while in my freshman year in college in ‘64 doing the same thing - developing a technique to silkscreen glass frit capacitors, gold traces and tin oxide resistors (which were sand blasted to the correct value) onto alumina ceramic substrates - it was called SLT (solid logic technology).

If you weren’t on the fab line, Tek was a wonderful company to work for - I had the privilege of being there for a dozen years. We built beautiful instruments, including the world’s fastest digitizer (not sure it has ever been equaled) that you could always be proud of. Beaverton was a series of campuses, with manufacturing and office workers and executives side by side. There were no price negotiations on products - everyone paid the same thing except for quantity discounts, and everyone participated in profit sharing. Cash boxes were left open in the cafeterias, because the assumption was that people behaved as honest adults unless proven otherwise. Sadly, this wonderful company was ultimately destroyed by a corporate “raider” that bought enough stock to split the company up and sell off its assets piecemeal to the detriment of its 13,000 employees and the industry as a whole. Tek and HP were competitors which resulted in great instruments at fair prices and enabled most of the electronic developments we enjoy today. I have 40 year old Tek instruments on my bench, and they still work flawlessly. If you worked in electronics, whether you were troubleshooting manufacturing machines at RJ Reynolds or designing spacecraft for NASA or Nuclear power plant controls, odds are you had a Tek scope on your bench.

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Apr 24, 2021 20:45:07   #
brontodon
 
bittermelon wrote:
And if you don't know the name of this company, you should turn in your photographer's badge now.)


We don't need no stinking badges!


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Apr 25, 2021 08:26:16   #
BebuLamar
 
bittermelon wrote:


And if you don't know the name of this company, you should turn in your photographer's badge now.)


I am sure a whole bunch of famous photographers didn't know the name as they passed away before Adobe System was founded. Great photography existed before Adobe.

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