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Apr 22, 2021 09:40:33   #
Pytrouble
 
johngault007 wrote:
If you are looking for an independent asset manager, Digikam is a pretty powerful tool that is designed to handle very large catalogs. It is highly customizable with regards to importing, tagging, , rating and creating different groups for individual needs.

My setup is one group for all RAW imports with a sidecar XMP file written so I can import into Darktable with all tags and such, then a second group that searches for all exported (usually jpg) files that come out of my post processing.

I am not sure of how well it runs on MacOS, but the devs seem to keep all platforms up-to-date.

https://www.digikam.org/
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Apr 22, 2021 09:42:00   #
Pytrouble
 
Bayou wrote:
ACDSee: https://www.acdsee.com/en/products/photo-studio-mac/

Lifetime license on sale now for $60.

I dumped Lightroom 6 for ACDSee (Ultimate version) years ago, and find ACDSee preferable in nearly every way. HedgeHoggers have a real blind spot for it for some reason, so you won't see much reinforcement of this recommendation here.

30 day free trial.


Downloaded free trial of the Mac version yesterday. Thanks.

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Apr 22, 2021 09:44:03   #
Pytrouble
 
don26812 wrote:
Have you ever considered using the Organizer in Photoshop Elements 2021? The Organizer can essentially do everything that the Library module that Lightroom Classic. But the learning curve is not nearly as steep, and the user interface is much more friendly.

I have used PSE's Organizer since it's beginning 20 years ago. Today it remains my DAM program for about 60K photos, videos, and audio files.

FWIW

https://don26812.wordpress.com/2020/12/13/just-finished-a-brand-new-ebook/
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Thanks. I’ll take a look.

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Apr 22, 2021 09:45:22   #
Pytrouble
 
Alex Burr wrote:
I was about to mention ACDSEE. I have used it successfully for years. It has all the features mentioned here recently. It is relatively inexpensive. It has a good history. It is a DAM and editor. It has key words, two levels of search. Flexible import.


Thanks. Downloaded a free trial yesterday.

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Apr 22, 2021 09:46:48   #
Pytrouble
 
Guzser02 wrote:
Hi, ACDsee has, in my opinion, a very good DAM. When compared to what's in the market, it is, in my opinion, the best.
I run a Windows system, so you may need to investigate if my experience replicates in Apple systems.


Thanks. Downloaded a free trial yesterday.

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Apr 22, 2021 09:47:40   #
Pytrouble
 
jrm21 wrote:
You might check out DarkTable. It is open-source software (free). I haven't used it much, but the interface and workflow seem very similar to LightRoom.

Since it is free, there is no downside to trying it out.

First release was 2009 and last update was four months ago. So it has been around for a while and has active development.


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Apr 22, 2021 09:50:01   #
Pytrouble
 
BigDaddy wrote:
I've been using ACDSee since the mid 1990's. It is very likely the best, and most powerful photo catalog software made, and it should be, considering it's been around a LONG time, 10 years longer than LR.

I've been using my current version since 2016 and have no reason to upgrade, it does more than one could want. I have over 40,000 photos cataloged with hundreds of Keywords. It has super search capabilities and over the past 25 years or so they have worked out how it needs to be done, so it fits most anyone's needs.

It also has decent editing ability including LAYERS, which is required component of any editor imo. The sale price is good, it is always on sale I think. Make sure you never pay the list price, I think that's a gimmick for the real price on sale. (Sears got busted for that once)

You can buy ACDSee AND Affinity Photo today for a lot less than a one year subscription to PS/LR. They are a hard act to beat. Affinity has free upgrades, and ACDSee doesn't need any, it already does more than you could possibly need in a photo file manager.

I think ACDSee and Affinity compare well to LR and PS, until you get to rent vs purchase. $120/year is not bad if you earn a living at it, but for a hobbyist, even a serious one, ACDsee/Affinity is where it's at.
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I downloaded a free trial yesterday. Thanks.

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Apr 22, 2021 10:06:36   #
dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia
 
Pytrouble wrote:
Hello Hoggers:
I work on a Mac and had been using Lightroom 5 for years, first for cataloging and organizing as well as editing. For the last couple of years I've been using it mainly as a DAM while using Luminar 4 for editing. I recently upgraded my OS to Catalina which disabled some of the functions on my old version of LR. I have uninstalled LR and figured I'd use Luminar 4 as my cataloging program. It leaves a lot to be desired in that respect. So, I'm looking for an alternative. I do not want to go to the subscription for Adobe creative cloud as I have never used and don't wish to learn Photoshop and you can't get LR alone. I've been doing some internet research and have looked at Capture One (rather expensive) and ON1 Photo Raw (a little more reasonable). Both of these also have editing capabilites - not necessary for me but a nice bonus. Reading about various programs on the internet is one thing but hearing real photographers experience with these programs is better. The ability to use keywords is important to me. Any advice and suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
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Let's not loose sight of the OP's existing catalog. Any new program should be able to import the existing catalog.

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Apr 22, 2021 10:25:33   #
DirtFarmer Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA
 
Poppirazzi wrote:
I'm new here and this is my first post...


Welcome to UHH. As you will note there is a wide variety of people on the site with a wide variety of opinions. Different opinions are an opportunity for learning so enjoy and feel free to join in.

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Apr 22, 2021 10:30:33   #
dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia
 
DirtFarmer wrote:
Welcome to UHH. As you will note there is a wide variety of people on the site with a wide variety of opinions. Different opinions are an opportunity for learning so enjoy and feel free to join in.


Exactly. We all want to help. Just keep that in mind when you read our otherwise infuriating posts.

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Apr 22, 2021 10:31:06   #
lmTrying Loc: WV Northern Panhandle
 
Ok, I have read every word of this thread, all 5 pages. I also bought, and attempted to read the DAM book. After 3-5 chapters I got tired of their slapping their selves on their own backs telling me how great their system is, and that each point will be explained in a later chapter. What chapter? When are you just going to define the basis of your so great system. Or do you just have to create x number of pages to produce an "impressive" book to sell at an "impressive" price. I'm not impressed!

So, can anyone out there, in a few short, direct sentences explain to me what DAM is, and how it operates to catalog my photos. Don't bother to tell me how great it is, the people at Digital Asset Management have done that to nauseum. I get the KEY word thing. That sounds good, but catch up will be time consuming.

Until then I'll still be using my file folders by category.

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Apr 22, 2021 10:46:08   #
don26812 Loc: South Bay of Los Angeles, CA
 
I totally concur with the author.

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Apr 22, 2021 12:58:11   #
BigDaddy Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
 
lmTrying wrote:
Ok, I have read every word of this thread, all 5 pages. I also bought, and attempted to read the DAM book. After 3-5 chapters I got tired of their slapping their selves on their own backs telling me how great their system is, and that each point will be explained in a later chapter. What chapter? When are you just going to define the basis of your so great system. Or do you just have to create x number of pages to produce an "impressive" book to sell at an "impressive" price. I'm not impressed!

So, can anyone out there, in a few short, direct sentences explain to me what DAM is, and how it operates to catalog my photos. Don't bother to tell me how great it is, the people at Digital Asset Management have done that to nauseum. I get the KEY word thing. That sounds good, but catch up will be time consuming.

Until then I'll still be using my file folders by category.
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Forget DAM, it's just an acronym for a number of things. We are talking about a file manager for photo's, or, a database program for photo's. Typically it contains a built in photo viewer, a built in photo editor, and search routines to find all your photo's instantly based on a ton of search criteria, some of which you record via keywords, some of which are recorded automatically by your camera and so on.

Keywords are the main thing you are responsible for, and is what makes finding photo's containing your son, and his dog Spot, or pics of aunt Nelly, or all pics from Xmas 2001, in an instant, even if the pic was filed away 20 years ago. Looking for a good sky background? Well, if you keyworded all your pics with a great sky, you can pick one in an instant and load it into your editor along with aunt Nelly if you wish. A good photo database should make all this easy to do, once you figure out all the methods used by the software.

ADCSee does it all, and is easy to use, ONCE you learn how to set it all up to look like YOU want. ACDSee is very flexible so you can spend a lot of time learning how you want it to work/look. It helps to be somewhat computer/software literate since it is sophisticated software dealing with files and file system issues. No way around that.

For example, I have 5 editors assigned to hot keys in ACDSee, and if I'm looking at a pic of Aunt Nelly, and want to edit it with Faststone, IfranView, Affinity or PSE pressing the hot keys I assigned in ACDSee will load the pic in that editor. You can set up your views a lot of different ways, and assign each to a name and change views instantly. All sorts of stuff that can take some learning to discover, but it's all good. I imagine LR is similar, but I never bothered with LR. For sure, if you are into pics, you need a good photo database.

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Apr 22, 2021 16:25:07   #
Photocraig
 
Not to be contrary, but I've used Creative Cloud for years and find that the one or two times that there was a feature I needed in Photoshop was all I ever used. $10 a month for LR is a deal. Ignoring Photoshop (gives me an exquisite little kick) is FREE. And I bet it's still cheaper than C-1 (and easier, too).

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Apr 22, 2021 16:34:36   #
DirtFarmer Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA
 
lmTrying wrote:
...So, can anyone out there, in a few short, direct sentences explain to me what DAM is, and how it operates to catalog my photos...


I'll take a swing at it.

Digital Asset Management is a database used to organize your files. Basically a database holds information about a set of files. The most important bit of information is where the file is to be found. After that come descriptions of the file and some useful characteristics of the file. The file itself is not contained in the database. Only the location of the file is in there. Otherwise the database would become very large.

The advantage of a database is that it's compact. It only takes a few bytes per file to describe it (more bytes if the description is extensive). A few thousand image files can take up gigabytes of space on your disk, but the database might only need a couple hundred kilobytes. For that reason it's much faster to search through a database than to search through all the files.

Another advantage of a database is that it can group files without having to copy them to group folders. A few bytes in a database specifying which groups the file belongs to is all that is needed. That way you can group files with common characteristics. The database can place a file in many different groups without duplicating the file in many different folders.

For a parametric editing program, the database can contain the editing parameters for an image. That way the original image can be left alone (nondestructive editing).

This is not a complete description but should give you some idea of what it does. Ask more questions if it's not providing answers you need.

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