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Apr 21, 2021 09:35:27   #
BobPeterson Loc: Massachusetts
 
BooIsMyCat wrote:
The Adobe subscription is approximately $10/month.
You do NOT need to install PS... It is NOT required to download/install both LR and PS.

You can install the initial download and then uninstall anything you won't use... i.e., PS.

I use both Windows and Apple (BigSur). I switched from Windows because of all the freebies (viruses and crashes).

I don't push one over the other as I believe the user needs to decide.


There is a Lightroom only plan that is also $9.99 per month that comes with 1TB of cloud storage.

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Apr 21, 2021 09:50:58   #
BooIsMyCat Loc: Somewhere
 
johngault007 wrote:
$10 per month

To some that's a lot, and to others it's a drop of water in the proverbial bucket. But why incur a recurring cost for something that is available for one-time purchase or even no cost?


If $10/month is a lot of money, what is a one-time purchase?
If you find something "free", you get what you pay for.
If you find something for $60 (example), you have to save up for 6 months to make it equal to the subscription and then, along comes an update that costs you another "one-time" charge.
You don't have to pay for the upgrade but, eventually, you will.... one way or another.

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Apr 21, 2021 09:59:55   #
BooIsMyCat Loc: Somewhere
 
Bayou wrote:
ACDSee: https://www.acdsee.com/en/products/photo-studio-mac/

Lifetime license on sale now for $60.

I dumped Lightroom 6 for ACDSee (Ultimate version) years ago, and find ACDSee preferable in nearly every way. HedgeHoggers have a real blind spot for it for some reason, so you won't see much reinforcement of this recommendation here.

30 day free trial.




ACDSee Photo Studio Ultimate is $110 which will give you 1 full year of updates and technical support. Then, there are the Studio packs... another $150.

If you go with the home plan, it's $89/year.

https://www.acdsee.com/en/products/photo-studio-ultimate/buy/

There IS a free trial so, if the OP is interested... but, that's ALMOST the same as the Adobe subscription which has a much larger support base.

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Apr 21, 2021 10:44:31   #
johngault007 Loc: Florida Panhandle
 
Gene51 wrote:
Because ongoing software development and support costs $$. Someone has to pay for that. Software licensing fees is the mechanism of choice for mass market products. With one-time purchase products eventually the end of life point is reached where you can no longer get support, updates, etc. With free products support can be iffy at best, and they do have a habit of coming and going. You get what you pay for, and you don't get what you don't pay for. Someone who has spent hundreds, if not thousands of dollars should budget for software maintenance. It's like buying a car - you need to consider the interest (if getting a car loan), the cost of regularly scheduled maintenance - tire rotation/replacement, shocks, brakes, oil and fluid changes, cost of gas etc. It would be wonderful if all of those ongoing expenses were bundled into one price, or better yet, completely free, as well as the car - but sadly they are not.
Because ongoing software development and support c... (show quote)


The "get what you paid for" argument is as tired as the "it's only the cost of a cup of coffee per month" argument. The leading open source digital asset manager, DigiKam, which I mentioned above has be actively developed since 2006. For an "iffy at best" and "coming and going" free product, 15 years is a pretty decent track record.

Again, I will refrain from saying my stick is better than your stick, because at the end of the day, it's a personal choice. And as was asked by the OP, they wanted to explore the possibility asset managers that are independent from the processing tools.

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Apr 21, 2021 10:51:17   #
johngault007 Loc: Florida Panhandle
 
BooIsMyCat wrote:
If $10/month is a lot of money, what is a one-time purchase?
If you find something "free", you get what you pay for.
If you find something for $60 (example), you have to save up for 6 months to make it equal to the subscription and then, along comes an update that costs you another "one-time" charge.
You don't have to pay for the upgrade but, eventually, you will.... one way or another.


Personally, $10/month is nothing but pocket fodder for me. But it's all a difference of opinion and how you justify how you spend your money and what you spend it on. I didn't mention anything about the quality of paid software, I simply stated that there are other options to "try" that do not incur extra expense. So why incur an expense without exploring all options first?

We all have our own personal choices in life, there is no need to attack each other and the choices of software we use. What does that accomplish besides muddying the water for those that are exploring options?

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Apr 21, 2021 11:26:23   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
It's so easy to go along, be part of the crowd, to subscribe ...

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Apr 21, 2021 11:39:58   #
don26812 Loc: South Bay of Los Angeles, CA
 
Pytrouble wrote:
Hello Hoggers:
The ability to use keywords is important to me. Any advice and suggestions would be greatly appreciated.


Have you ever considered using the Organizer in Photoshop Elements 2021? The Organizer can essentially do everything that the Library module that Lightroom Classic. But the learning curve is not nearly as steep, and the user interface is much more friendly.

I have used PSE's Organizer since it's beginning 20 years ago. Today it remains my DAM program for about 60K photos, videos, and audio files.

FWIW

https://don26812.wordpress.com/2020/12/13/just-finished-a-brand-new-ebook/

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Apr 21, 2021 11:44:23   #
Leitz Loc: Solms
 
Pytrouble wrote:
Hello Hoggers:
I work on a Mac and had been using Lightroom 5 for years, first for cataloging and organizing as well as editing. For the last couple of years I've been using it mainly as a DAM while using Luminar 4 for editing. I recently upgraded my OS to Catalina which disabled some of the functions on my old version of LR. I have uninstalled LR and figured I'd use Luminar 4 as my cataloging program. It leaves a lot to be desired in that respect. So, I'm looking for an alternative. I do not want to go to the subscription for Adobe creative cloud as I have never used and don't wish to learn Photoshop and you can't get LR alone. I've been doing some internet research and have looked at Capture One (rather expensive) and ON1 Photo Raw (a little more reasonable). Both of these also have editing capabilites - not necessary for me but a nice bonus. Reading about various programs on the internet is one thing but hearing real photographers experience with these programs is better. The ability to use keywords is important to me. Any advice and suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Hello Hoggers: br I work on a Mac and had been usi... (show quote)

What is a "DAM" program?? (I'm a photographer, never heard of this stuff.)

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Apr 21, 2021 11:49:32   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
Google: what is dam

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Apr 21, 2021 11:51:44   #
Pytrouble
 
Leitz wrote:
What is a "DAM" program?? (I'm a photographer, never heard of this stuff.)


It is a cataloging, organizing system that allows you to import your photos, review and rate them, add keywords for searching, etc. It generally will mirror your hard drive photo organization. For example, in Lightroom, if you move a photo from one folder to another that move will also be reflected on your hard drive. Hope this helps.

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Apr 21, 2021 12:06:14   #
Alex Burr
 
I was about to mention ACDSEE. I have used it successfully for years. It has all the features mentioned here recently. It is relatively inexpensive. It has a good history. It is a DAM and editor. It has key words, two levels of search. Flexible import.

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Apr 21, 2021 12:08:10   #
Alex Burr
 
DAM = Digital asset manager (very useful if you have over 1000 photos)

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Apr 21, 2021 12:39:35   #
DWU2 Loc: Phoenix Arizona area
 
johngault007 wrote:
$10 per month

To some that's a lot, and to others it's a drop of water in the proverbial bucket. But why incur a recurring cost for something that is available for one-time purchase or even no cost?


Because it's sometimes false economy if you don't look at the whole system lifecycle cost. The OP reported that his copy of Lightroom 6 wasn't fully functional anymore. From time to time, you have to pay upgrade costs in the perpetual license model, or you face a number of risks, such as your operating system won't let the software function, or it won't read your new camera's RAW files. Sometimes developers fix troublesome bugs, introduce highly desirable new functions, or improve the software's performance in their upgrades and bug fix releases. Sure, some will respond saying they've used product X for 10 years without incident, while others, like the OP, will report frustrating problems. Free software? I've tried some - quality varies, documentation is not up to commercial standards, and, except for user groups, there is no support. My suggestion to the OP was to try the LR Photographer's plan and see if he likes it. If not, try something else.

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Apr 21, 2021 12:43:00   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
DWU2 wrote:
Because it's sometimes false economy if you don't look at the whole system lifecycle cost. The OP reported that his copy of Lightroom 6 wasn't fully functional anymore. From time to time, you have to pay upgrade costs in the perpetual license model, or you face a number of risks, such as your operating system won't let the software function, or it won't read your new camera's RAW files. Sometimes developers fix troublesome bugs, introduce highly desirable new functions, or improve the software's performance in their upgrades and bug fix releases. Sure, some will respond saying they've used product X for 10 years without incident, while others, like the OP, will report frustrating problems. Free software? I've tried some - quality varies, documentation is not up to commercial standards, and, except for user groups, there is no support. My suggestion to the OP was to try the LR Photographer's plan and see if he likes it. If not, try something else.
Because it's sometimes false economy if you don't ... (show quote)


It was Apple that torpedoed the OP's copy of LR5, not Adobe.

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Apr 21, 2021 12:48:49   #
DWU2 Loc: Phoenix Arizona area
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
It was Apple that torpedoed the OP's copy of LR5, not Adobe.


Yes, it was.

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