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Apr 14, 2021 09:04:46   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
bluezzzzz wrote:
I , too, take a lot of wildlife photos, and seldom am able to get close enough to fill the frame without post processing cropping.

So, I wanted to see if enlarging the entire file using Gigapixel AI and then cropping out a small portion of that would be better than just enlarging a small portion of the original file.

Here is the original file that I wanted to experiment on. This osprey was an unusual visitor to my local golf course lake and I was lucky to be there and see him make a try at a fish.

DD0A4275A by Marshall Smith, on Flickr



Here is the best I could do with my usual workflow of cropping in Photoshop. The haloing around the talons was really apparent.

Osprey_CBGC_03Aug2020 by Marshall Smith, on Flickr



Here is the Gigapixel AI version cropped down to approximate the first one, and sharpened. The talon area is much better to my eye.

OspreyCutoutWTSharpen by Marshall Smith, on Flickr


BTW, unfortunately, the osprey missed his catch.


Marshall
I , too, take a lot of wildlife photos, and seldom... (show quote)


Thanks for sharing

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Apr 14, 2021 09:15:26   #
bluezzzzz Loc: Stamping Ground, KY
 
David Martin wrote:
Topaz version definitely superior.
If I understand your post, you were also interested in comparing Gigapixel AI enlarging the entire file first and cropping second, vs. cropping first and enlarging second. If so, was there any difference (other than dramatically shortening the time required)?


Excellent question, David, but I haven't done enough tries yet to be able to give a good answer.

I do remember running Gigapixel on the entire file and going to take a nice nap while my computer cranked!

I shoot in RAW and convert the file to a DNG, and the goal would be to be able to just define the area of interest plus a bit more, and run Topaz just on that partial DNG without having to create a TIFF or JPEG file as an intermediate image. And then crop that for composition.

Marshall

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Apr 14, 2021 10:58:59   #
bwana Loc: Bergen, Alberta, Canada
 
Jerry Bruzek wrote:
Trying to justify the $99 cost to get greater detail of cropped images. Supposedly, Topaz Gigapixel AI will allow you to enlarge your photos up to 600% while perfectly preserving image quality.
Does anyone have success stories of this actually working?
I have wildlife photos in which I could not get close enough to "fill the frame" with my subject. Does this software really add detail back to your upscale photo as well as their claims?
Also, I wasted my 30-day free trial by downloading it a few months back and not using it at the time. Lesson learned.
Trying to justify the $99 cost to get greater deta... (show quote)

If you follow Topaz's recommended approach, Gigapixel gives great results.

1. Run Denoise AI
2. Run Sharpen AI
3. THEN run Gigapixel on the image.

I've had excellent results on astrophotography images.

I doubt Gigapixel can actually 'add detail back' to your images BUT it really does appear to on occasions.

bwa

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Apr 14, 2021 11:11:35   #
JeffDavidson Loc: Originally Detroit Now Los Angeles
 
I have used it quite successfully. I do not believe that it adds detail into the image but changes "things" so that there is little or no loss upon enlargement.

If you use other Topaz software, use DeNoise first and then any others but use Gigapixel AI last. Good luck!

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Apr 14, 2021 11:13:04   #
Jerry Bruzek
 
Very helpful process. Thanks!

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Apr 14, 2021 11:34:37   #
Fredrick Loc: Former NYC, now San Francisco Bay Area
 
I’ve used On1 Resize with great results.

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Apr 14, 2021 13:47:44   #
yssirk123 Loc: New Jersey
 
adedeluca wrote:
Have you looked into Qimage ?

It has an excellent algorithm that lets you print larger.

The output print will amaze you .

It is quite inexpensive also


I'm a long time proponent of Qimage, and use it for every image I print (including those from Gigapixel). As a printing utility, it can't be beat.

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Apr 14, 2021 14:31:50   #
MAXD
 
Has anyone used Gigapixel with an Intel I3 processor ? There web site says I5 or I7.

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Apr 14, 2021 14:49:41   #
Blair Shaw Jr Loc: Dunnellon,Florida
 
That is truly amazing . I see why you are exited about it. wow !

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Apr 14, 2021 16:26:17   #
JimH123 Loc: Morgan Hill, CA
 
Jerry Bruzek wrote:
Trying to justify the $99 cost to get greater detail of cropped images. Supposedly, Topaz Gigapixel AI will allow you to enlarge your photos up to 600% while perfectly preserving image quality.
Does anyone have success stories of this actually working?
I have wildlife photos in which I could not get close enough to "fill the frame" with my subject. Does this software really add detail back to your upscale photo as well as their claims?
Also, I wasted my 30-day free trial by downloading it a few months back and not using it at the time. Lesson learned.
Trying to justify the $99 cost to get greater deta... (show quote)


It is really good and worth it!!!

Last year, I compared ON1 resize to Gigapixel AI, and I thought ON1 Resize was the winner.
But this year, with the newest releases of Gigapixel AI, this is no longer true. Gigapixel AI is the clear winner.

In other testing I have done, I have used DxO DeepPrime on the RAW file and then used Gigapixel AI. And so far this is the best I have seen.

Regarding the comments about not getting more detail than was in the original image. Its not the right question. There is usually more detail in the RAW file than you actually see. The act of demosaicing is not an exact science and can reduce detail and add artifacts. There are multitudes of different demosaicing algorithms available. In fact, RawTherapee has 10 or so versions you can choose from. And some are better than others. And if you only shoot JPEGs, you get the demosaicing algorithm the camera manufacturer decided to use. Recently, with DxO's latest release, they introduced DeepPrime. They also tweaked the demosaicing process. I am not sure whether they now use the new demosaicing algorithm for everything, or if it was needed for DeepPrime to work. So I have decided to start with DeepPrime, even when I don't have a noise problem, and then go to Gigapixel AI. And I can't find anything that beats this. Not even Adobe with its new Super Resolution, which by the way is not a name I would have called it since that name has already been used for taking multiple images and stacking them to increase detail, most commonly in Photoshop.

By the way, while using DxO for DeepPrime, I will add shapening if needed and possibly some micro contrast before handing it off to Gigapixel AI.

Also, let me say that Gigapixel AI is very computational intensive. Older computers and those with weaker GPUs may not be up to the task. There are lots of complaints that it is too slow on these older machines. And one way to know the GPU is not up to the task is to tell Gigapixel AI to not use it. If you have a fast GPU, the convert time will go up. If the GPU is underpowered, the convert time may actually go down with the CPU doing all the work. But an underpowered machine can take many minutes, perhaps more than 30 minutes to convert whereas a fast machine may do the conversion in a minute or less.

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Apr 14, 2021 16:52:59   #
JimH123 Loc: Morgan Hill, CA
 
Adding a mono image using Gigapixel AI. I had taken a Sony A6300 and had the Color Filter Array stripped off converting it into a monochrome camera. As a monochrome, there is no demosaicing to do, thus it makes no sense to use DxO DeepPrime on the RAW file.

Using a Samyang 135mm f2 lens, I captured a shot of a small bird near by. I then resized it x6 using Gigapixel AI. Keep in mind that at 6x (which I also cropped heavy), the software is inventing new pixels to add to the image and working to make them make sense. It is using Artificial Intelligence to do this. In fact, at 6x, it is inventing 35 new pixels for every 1 existing pixel. This is beyond using algorithms to figure out the new pixels.

First image is the original. Note how tiny the bird is.

Second image is the 6x resized version with heavy cropping.

This is probably more extreme than one would normally push it, but I wanted to push it on this one. I can see a bit of halo around the beak and I probably could back of on sharpening and make that go away.


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Apr 14, 2021 17:01:36   #
JimH123 Loc: Morgan Hill, CA
 
Another Gigapixel AI example. Used a Nikon P1000 for this and also used a RAW file.

First image is the original.

Second image is the 2x resized image. I did not use DxO DeepPrime on this since at the time of this image, DeepPrime was not yet released.

At 2x, Gigapixel AI is only inventing 3 new pixels for every one existing pixel.


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Apr 14, 2021 17:03:38   #
bobstein
 
Hi, I'm in the same boat trying to find the best SW product for this. I have purchased Topaz and I think I may have to go to the GigapixelAI version. I'm also using Luminar. Would you mind sharing the discount code with me? Thanks,
Bob Stein (bob@aqcnow.com)

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Apr 14, 2021 17:29:30   #
JimH123 Loc: Morgan Hill, CA
 
bobstein wrote:
Hi, I'm in the same boat trying to find the best SW product for this. I have purchased Topaz and I think I may have to go to the GigapixelAI version. I'm also using Luminar. Would you mind sharing the discount code with me? Thanks,
Bob Stein (bob@aqcnow.com)


You can use "plugsnpixels" for 15%

The site this comes from is plugsandpixels.com

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Apr 14, 2021 17:45:11   #
frankraney Loc: Clovis, Ca.
 
David Martin wrote:
It's a good program.
If you truly never used it, your trial never began. But if you cranked it up and entered your email address, then your trial has likely ended.


and most places will add additional time of you just ask.

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