CHG_CANON wrote:
LOL, he has been shooting the EOS R5 and even published a BIF Guide with the R5. I took it as something more than an April Fool's prank.
Then the joke was on me. Well played
I find it interesting that today we have digital photography with better equipment overall than anything available in the days of film and YET, so many seem to want to resist new technology. Think back to the early digital transition era, when many were saying that digital will never be as good as film, and certainly the Pros will never switch...but guess what...after a couple of years, they did.
The reality is, if folks don't purchase new gear, there would be no improvements in cameras.
selmslie wrote:
If all you make is an 8x10" print or posting a reduced size image on the internet, the differences will all be in the way the camera handles - ergonomics - not in the results.
I've printed 60 inches from 24mp more than once and it looks fine. Some here might take a magnifying glass and examine it from 2 inches and suggest it could be sharper but normal people at a normal viewing distance...
The other issue hardly mentioned is editing. Even with a decent PC, 24mp can seriously push a PC depending on what you do.
Running a 24mp camera is the sweet spot imo and with a F lens you get all the quality you need. Switching to mirrorless needs more incentive than quality as DSLR's already have it. As I'll likely never print to those sizes again, a 10mp camera would be totally fine for me personally.
I don't think a mirrorless body is any better than a dslr body. I do think (Nikon anyway) that the lenses are a bit better, but that's probably because they are newer and benefit from newer technologies. I do appreciate that they are generally smaller and lighter, especially when I'm hiking uphill at elevation or when I'm packing my motorcycle for an extended trip. I have two mirrorless bodies and my favorite for both of the aforementioned activities is my tiny z50. With the kit 16-50 lens I don feel I am paying a penalty photo wise and it's definately easier to haul around than the D750 with a 24-70 lens attached,
My current D3100 will be 10 years old soon with 85,000 shutter releases. I just purchased a reconditioned Z6 for $1100 with the FX adapter to use my current glass. So I will save up to buy a Z lens so I can get the full frane shots. Now my hope is to get better low light results. Spec wise I should, I mainly shoot action, dancers in exhibition and comps. But one thing of note due to the pandemic some items are in short supply. As some have said it is a new design process allowing for smaller footprint. Me I am looking at the upgrade while keeping my glass. Happy snapping to all. Stay safe and healthy.
CamB
Loc: Juneau, Alaska
CHG_CANON wrote:
Mirrorless cameras are a way of feeling, of touching, of loving. Images captured from behind a mirror are cold, heartless and uncaring.
You could have used this on April Fools Day. Gave me a little chuckle
...Cam
Ysarex wrote:
You can see it too -- and even on your monitor. I shot it for you. I just happen to have a best example of a retrofocus lens designed for a DSLR. Designed for FX with a 90 degree angle of view I have a Zeiss 21mm f/2.8 Distagon. Arguably one of the best in class in that type of lens. The folks at Zeiss are no slouches and they make their best effort bar no expense. What that means is if you have a similar brand __________ lens odds are it's not as good.
So I set up a tripod in front of my mailbox -- window to the side and brick wall behind. I put an FX camera on the tripod with the Zeiss Distagon and did my best to square up the camera. I didn't get it perfect but I did well enough to show the difference.
Then without moving the tripod so much as a mm I switched cameras and put up my Fuji XF 14mm f/2.8 lens. Same angle of view but designed for a DX sensor. The two images are then very close in content. And what you'll see if you compare them is what we call mustache distortion in the Zeiss lens -- that's pincushion distortion on the edges with some barrel in the middle -- very hard to deal with in software. The Fuji lens on the other hand is free of distortion. All you see is my failure to square up the camera (it's not perfectly horizontal to the wall).
The Zeiss lens although some years older cost a whole lot more than the Fuji lens. Why the problem with the Zeiss lens? The DSLR mirror plain and simple. If they didn't have to design the lens clear of that floppy mirror they could remove the distortion like Fuji did. The Fuji lens of course is on a mirrorless camera and is not a retrofocus lens like the Distagon.
It may not be a difference that matters to you or a lot of other folks. It's great that we're not all the same. It is a difference that matters a whole lot to me.
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I have just reviewed eight pages of comments on this thread, and that has left me totally exhausted. I'm a deeply technical guy who during most of my life has pursued the holy grail of perfection in most things I do. That would normally find me moving to mirrorless for some of the reasons enumerated in this thread.
The only reason I am commenting on this thread at all is because I am always amazed when someone takes a basic photo of a brick wall with a few un-intricate objects and thinks that constitutes comparative proof of superiority of one type or another. If I were doing a comparo of this type I would use something like one of the celebrated "lens test charts" that might better show some comparative superiority one vs the other.
one_eyed_pete wrote:
1 Mirrorless don't have optical viewfinders
Issues when the subject goes into shadow, you can't see it
one_eyed_pete wrote:
2 Mirrorless don't have mirror slap vibrations
Mirrorless have shutter shock. DSLR can lock a mirror up. DSLR body size can take the shutter shock.
one_eyed_pete wrote:
3 Mirrorless don't need focus calibration
I've never experienced it
one_eyed_pete wrote:
4 Mirrorless cameras are less tiring when hand holding with long lenses (800 mm)
A few hundred grams isn't going to make a difference holding a 800mm.
We are all going to be here forever!
bwana
Loc: Bergen, Alberta, Canada
JohnR wrote:
Just a little food for thought
Looking completely dispassionately which is better photographically – for image quality?
First the significant differences (Comparing APS-C and full frame only):
DSLR bodies are bigger and heavier than mirrorless bodies.
DSLRs take many more photos per battery charge than mirrorless
DSLRs have mirrors :)
Mirrorless don’t have mirrors :) :)
Mmmm – can’t think of any other significant differences.
Second important similarities:
Both have sensors
Both have viewfinders
Both have LCDs
Both have lenses
Mmmm – can’t think of any other important similarities.
So how does any of this make a mirrorless better than a DSLR?? Well IMHO it doesn’t, it can’t and it won’t as far as image quality of photographs is concerned. Excluding the photographers skill levels and the many personal preferences involved, the image quality of a photograph is directly proportional to the quality of the lens and the sensor.
Mirrorless do not have better sensors than DSLRs. Mirrorless do not have better lenses than DSLRs. So photographs from mirrrorless cannot have better image quality than those from DSLRs.
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You forgot a couple of other mirrorless advantages:
- the EVF, which I love!
- no need to do lens focus correction(s)
- ease of shooting video
bwa
Hereford wrote:
I have just reviewed eight pages of comments on this thread, and that has left me totally exhausted. I'm a deeply technical guy who during most of my life has pursued the holy grail of perfection in most things I do. That would normally find me moving to mirrorless for some of the reasons enumerated in this thread.
The only reason I am commenting on this thread at all is because I am always amazed when someone takes a basic photo of a brick wall with a few un-intricate objects and thinks that constitutes comparative proof of superiority of one type or another. If I were doing a comparo of this type I would use something like one of the celebrated "lens test charts" that might better show some comparative superiority one vs the other.
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Sorry I didn't consider it worth heading into the lab and breaking out the optical bench. Nonetheless the example does successfully show the difference. My wife saw me taking the photo and asked what I was doing. I showed her the two photos and she could easily see the difference. Furthermore I wasn't illustrating something unusual, novel and or unheard of but rather a common, long standing and well understood issue. It was just done to illustrate the expected.
rook2c4 wrote:
Better, no. Just a little different.
But some people need mental justification for their frequent camera purchasing. Even if deep down they know that their photography will probably not noticeably improve with a new camera.
I almost got sucked it, but thank God I've survived the hype so far. Camera manufacturers are no different than any other manufacturer, you need to grow or you die. That's why Gillette went from single-edge to 5-blade to vibrating.
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