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Apr 4, 2021 08:24:23   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
ELNikkor wrote:
My "cold, heartless, uncaring" mirror on my D750 reflects the warm, caring, compassionate subject. Mirrorless just shows it to me on a cold, heartless, uncaring little tv monitor. (I write this with a smirk of humor : ) Actually, I look forward to owning a mirrorless one day...

Why wait?
Join the bandwagon now,
avoid the rush.

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Apr 4, 2021 08:27:22   #
jackm1943 Loc: Omaha, Nebraska
 
JohnR wrote:
Just a little food for thought

Looking completely dispassionately which is better photographically – for image quality?

First the significant differences (Comparing APS-C and full frame only):

DSLR bodies are bigger and heavier than mirrorless bodies.
DSLRs take many more photos per battery charge than mirrorless
DSLRs have mirrors :)
Mirrorless don’t have mirrors :) :)
Mmmm – can’t think of any other significant differences.

Second important similarities:

Both have sensors
Both have viewfinders
Both have LCDs
Both have lenses
Mmmm – can’t think of any other important similarities.

So how does any of this make a mirrorless better than a DSLR?? Well IMHO it doesn’t, it can’t and it won’t as far as image quality of photographs is concerned. Excluding the photographers skill levels and the many personal preferences involved, the image quality of a photograph is directly proportional to the quality of the lens and the sensor.
Mirrorless do not have better sensors than DSLRs. Mirrorless do not have better lenses than DSLRs. So photographs from mirrrorless cannot have better image quality than those from DSLRs.
Just a little food for thought br br Looking comp... (show quote)


The lenses on mirrorless cameras can be fitted closer to the sensor. There are optical advantages to that that I don't fully understand but they are real. Think "Leica".

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Apr 4, 2021 08:28:43   #
jaymatt Loc: Alexandria, Indiana
 
I agree, but then there’s the weight factor, which is important to me. (I have both, by the way.)

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Apr 4, 2021 08:31:03   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
JohnR wrote:
Just a little food for thought

Looking completely dispassionately which is better photographically – for image quality?

First the significant differences (Comparing APS-C and full frame only):

DSLR bodies are bigger and heavier than mirrorless bodies.
DSLRs take many more photos per battery charge than mirrorless
DSLRs have mirrors :)
Mirrorless don’t have mirrors :) :)
Mmmm – can’t think of any other significant differences.

Second important similarities:

Both have sensors
Both have viewfinders
Both have LCDs
Both have lenses
Mmmm – can’t think of any other important similarities.

So how does any of this make a mirrorless better than a DSLR?? Well IMHO it doesn’t, it can’t and it won’t as far as image quality of photographs is concerned. Excluding the photographers skill levels and the many personal preferences involved, the image quality of a photograph is directly proportional to the quality of the lens and the sensor.
Mirrorless do not have better sensors than DSLRs. Mirrorless do not have better lenses than DSLRs. So photographs from mirrrorless cannot have better image quality than those from DSLRs.
Just a little food for thought br br Looking comp... (show quote)


Once again you’re asserting that IQ is the main factor in choosing a camera. Essentially any current DSLR or mirrorless camera will give you excellent IQ. If that’s you’re only consideration then ok, but it’s pretty narrow minded. For me things like ergonomics and additional features are an important consideration. A Ford Focus and a Ford Mustang might be equally adept at getting me from point A to point B, but I might enjoy one of them more than the other. I still love shooting my D500 but I really enjoy the features that my Z7 brings. Especially IBIS and the ability to see the exposure through the viewfinder. Last night I was shooting long exposures of the Sunshine Skyway bridge with an ND filter. I didn’t have to do any calculations, just made adjustments until I got the exposure I wanted and shot.
There are also those that will say you can get better IQ with mirrorless lenses. I won’t go that far yet, although my Z mount lenses are all excellent. I will say that mirrorless mounts allow design considerations that aren’t possible with DSLR lenses.

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Apr 4, 2021 08:42:27   #
HeyYou Loc: SE Michigan
 
wide2tele wrote:
This is a 2000x2000 pixel section taken from a larger image.
No adjustments, no resizing, no sharpening, no nothing, straight from the camera....
You will literally need to shoot lines and conduct tests to see any difference as demonstrated earlier in this thread.
I'm sticking with my DSLR! The world can go crazy and convince themselves they are doing things they never could before. Good luck to them!

Well put !

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Apr 4, 2021 08:50:11   #
nikon123 Loc: Toronto, Canada
 
Sometimes I wish that I had the technical knowledge to understand how a clock works, never mind the complexities of digital cameras and lenses. Nonetheless, I switched from DSLR to mirrorless because my Nikon D500 had an unfortunate meeting with the pavement. I could have purchased a replacement D500 but was enticed by the latest technology of mirrorless which promised a lighter camera and similar image quality. I have no regrets. My principal concern was the autofocus capability. My Z6 falls short of the performance of the D500 but I have managed to get the shots that I want. The mirrorless camera is lighter and the lenses are more compact and lighter too compared to their FX counterparts. They are also more expensive. So my kids will have a little less inheritance! I also like the electronic viewfinder - correct me if I am wrong but I believe that the image seen before the shutter is released is more accurate than with the optical viewfinder as the latter is the mirror image and not the real-time image. Another example of my technical inadequacies. I believe that the most imposing obstacle for camera manufacturers is the incredible performance for casual shooters of the camera/telephone. That's an entire other discussion.

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Apr 4, 2021 08:52:16   #
LVP Loc: Seekonk, MA
 
SuperflyTNT wrote:
Once again you’re asserting that IQ is the main factor in choosing a camera. Essentially any current DSLR or mirrorless camera will give you excellent IQ. If that’s you’re only consideration then ok, but it’s pretty narrow minded. For me things like ergonomics and additional features are an important consideration. A Ford Focus and a Ford Mustang might be equally adept at getting me from point A to point B, but I might enjoy one of them more than the other. I still love shooting my D500 but I really enjoy the features that my Z7 brings. Especially IBIS and the ability to see the exposure through the viewfinder. Last night I was shooting long exposures of the Sunshine Skyway bridge with an ND filter. I didn’t have to do any calculations, just made adjustments until I got the exposure I wanted and shot.
There are also those that will say you can get better IQ with mirrorless lenses. I won’t go that far yet, although my Z mount lenses are all excellent. I will say that mirrorless mounts allow design considerations that aren’t possible with DSLR lenses.
Once again you’re asserting that IQ is the main fa... (show quote)


Well said! A camera, a car, tools, golf clubs, anything you enjoy will be used more often. Thus, you will get better and more proficient with said item. This in turn will beget more joy. Pretty simple concept.
I had a perfectly good Canon DSLR that I just didn't use that much. Mostly an ergonomic thing. Got the Olympus M1mk2. Taking and using it much more often. Feeling I'm improving my skills and being more creative. In the end, all is good.

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Apr 4, 2021 08:55:33   #
Tjohn Loc: Inverness, FL formerly Arivaca, AZ
 
Lighter and less likely to have mechanical problems (55 yr old F works fine, wore out one shutter on a 8 yr old Cannon).

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Apr 4, 2021 09:00:53   #
bobmcculloch Loc: NYC, NY
 
JohnR wrote:
Just a little food for thought

Looking completely dispassionately which is better photographically – for image quality?

First the significant differences (Comparing APS-C and full frame only):

DSLR bodies are bigger and heavier than mirrorless bodies.
DSLRs take many more photos per battery charge than mirrorless
DSLRs have mirrors :)
Mirrorless don’t have mirrors :) :)
Mmmm – can’t think of any other significant differences.

Second important similarities:

Both have sensors
Both have viewfinders
Both have LCDs
Both have lenses
Mmmm – can’t think of any other important similarities.

So how does any of this make a mirrorless better than a DSLR?? Well IMHO it doesn’t, it can’t and it won’t as far as image quality of photographs is concerned. Excluding the photographers skill levels and the many personal preferences involved, the image quality of a photograph is directly proportional to the quality of the lens and the sensor.
Mirrorless do not have better sensors than DSLRs. Mirrorless do not have better lenses than DSLRs. So photographs from mirrrorless cannot have better image quality than those from DSLRs.
Just a little food for thought br br Looking comp... (show quote)



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Apr 4, 2021 09:03:22   #
Ysarex Loc: St. Louis
 
larryepage wrote:
I appreciate the time and effort that you spent putting this demonstration together. For me, however, it simply endorses what an incredible waste of time this stupid argument remains. I have been doing photography since 1962. My photographs have been used to document events, support academic research, illustrate industrial training materials, respond to environmental enforcement actions, capture memories, and a host of other purposes. I have never taken a single photograph where the difference between these two photographs would have made any difference to any of the people who viewed any photograph that I have ever made, including me.
I appreciate the time and effort that you spent pu... (show quote)

You've taken this position in the past. If it doesn't matter to you then obviously it shouldn't matter to anyone else. If someone has requirements and/or expectations concerning photography that are different than Larry's they surely must be wrong. Bye again.
larryepage wrote:
I stopped by because I thought I might have been too hasty in deciding to move away from the forum. This clarifies that's not the case. Best wishes to all here. Have fun fantasizing.

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Apr 4, 2021 09:04:54   #
guardineer
 
I think Mark Smith made a great video documenting the journey and decision process he took in his conversion from Nikon D850 to Sony mirrorless. He's a professional photographer I've followed for the past few years. His move was based upon his ability to capture previously uncapturable photo opportunities. Though my retirement budget doesn't provide for a pro-grade mirrorless that is the direction I would go based upon his achievements.

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Apr 4, 2021 09:10:04   #
zug55 Loc: Naivasha, Kenya, and Austin, Texas
 
I am surprised that nobody has mentioned the obvious advantage of DSLRs: they have been sprinkled with fairy dust.

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Apr 4, 2021 09:10:54   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
zug55 wrote:
I am surprised that nobody has mentioned the obvious advantage of DSLRs: they have been sprinkled with fairy dust.



But the mirrorless are made from fairy dust!

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Apr 4, 2021 09:16:04   #
47greyfox Loc: on the edge of the Colorado front range
 
sergio wrote:
This is really a stupid statement.


Since you didn’t “quote reply,” I can only assume you’re referring to your “statement?” 🤔🥴😳😬

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Apr 4, 2021 09:17:18   #
47greyfox Loc: on the edge of the Colorado front range
 
zug55 wrote:
I am surprised that nobody has mentioned the obvious advantage of DSLRs: they have been sprinkled with fairy dust.


The real advantage of my DSLRs and their lenses is that I already own them.

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