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Apr 2, 2021 14:11:07   #
CamB Loc: Juneau, Alaska
 
It's almost too bad this is called 'back button focus.' Maybe alternative focus would be better because it doesn't have to involve your back button at all. Some complain that their thumb gets in the way or something else isn't right. Back button focus can be assigned to any button. Mine is assigned to the two FN buttons on the front of the camera and controlled by my third finger most of the time. (I just had to double check this as it's so automatic for me.) Set your camera up such that it works best for you.
...Cam

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Apr 2, 2021 14:28:24   #
TucsonDave Loc: Tucson, Arizona
 
wide2tele wrote:
Don't use it and don't think it's good "general" advice to give. I find the AF-ON button is best used for AE lock.


Well, its a personal issue. I found BBF to be easier for me to use when the subject of the photograph moves. Landscapes on windy days, clouds, etc. Its good to have options and decide what works for you.

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Apr 2, 2021 14:40:31   #
greg14
 
I use BBF and AF-S all the time.
I RARELY shoot any sports or moving objects.
And when I do I generally forget to switch to AF-C anyway. LOL

Here is my safety valve that no one has mentioned:
I feel comfortable (I am now 78) and secure when I see the focus box turns from Red to Green.
In AF-C that is not possible from what I have read, I have the Nikon Z6.

Any thoughts or am I wrong and not understanding the Manual?

Thanks,

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Apr 2, 2021 14:50:55   #
AirWalter Loc: Tipp City, Ohio
 
wide2tele wrote:
I don't believe it's down to style, it's down to results. To be honest, I personally can't think of a situation I would use it for. I know it's recommended, we have the linked video etc etc but internet advice you have to take with a grain of salt. People on the internet are searching hits and I found looong ago internet advice is often unreliable.

I'll explain the reasons I don't use it.

First, if you are a AF-S user and are looking for accurate focus with the AF-ON button set in AF-C mode, you won't achieve it. You'll miss critical focus in a massive amount of shots.

If you are a AF-C user predominantly, using AF-C works best for me without needing the AF-ON feature. The only difference is AF-ON will give you that "hit/miss" AF-S lock option if your subject is stationary. The technique to achieve AF-S in AF-C is simply frame more loosely "if" required so you can place a focus point on the required target. The AF system will hold the focus quite well on your subject. You are not always "forced" to fumble around changing AF-S/AF-C modes as they try and tell you. The advantage you get without using AF-ON is once the subject does move, the camera will react far more quickly than you realizing, "Hey, it's moving now, I better press and hold the AF-ON button!"

Then there is VR. From memory it doesn't activate till you press the shutter button and very well may not have time to settle before you trip the shutter. Can't even recall if this is accurate to be honest so people need to check this out for their own camera model.

Then there is the comment made by Bill_de. Thumb available to quickly switch focus points is far more important than wasting it on the AF-ON button.

Finally there is AE lock. The AF-ON buttons are perfectly placed to assign AE lock which is a critical feature. This way even if you have a grip, AE lock is always quickly at hand in both camera orientations.

For speed, ease of use and results, I personally have found it is best to not use the AF-ON button for AF.
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Do you have any knowledge of Steve Perry before your recent joining of this group? The reason I ask this question is because I don't believe you will find many in this group to agree with you on this matter. It doesn't seem like you have given this adjustment much time to work for you like it does for many others on here. I really think if you gave it a chance for awhile, like Steve said in the video, you might have a different opinion. I really can't remember hearing anyone on this site posting an opinion that would agree with yours on any of Steve's tips on Nikon cameras. Just my opinion.

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Apr 2, 2021 14:53:08   #
Paradise Pirate Loc: Cape Coral, FL
 
I use it all the time on D810 and D7500. Dont have to worry about getting right pressure on shutter release button to activate focus without release. Allows focus and use of a 2 second (or longer) delay to capture scene.

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Apr 2, 2021 14:54:55   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
greg14 wrote:

I feel comfortable (I am now 78) and secure when I see the focus box turns from Red to Green.
In AF-C that is not possible from what I have read, I have the Nikon Z6.

Any thoughts or am I wrong and not understanding the Manual?

Thanks,


I just checked my Z6. You are correct! Apparently they also dropped the focus confirmation dot in the lower left of the viewfinder.

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Apr 2, 2021 15:09:11   #
Riverrune
 
I like it and use it all the time on both my cameras.

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Apr 2, 2021 15:46:27   #
5SpeedGuy Loc: Chicago
 
Initially I didn't understand how to set my camera for back button focus. Steve Perry's video was very helpful. Now I use BBF and AF-C constantly. Awkward at first, now second nature. Highly recommend!

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Apr 2, 2021 16:04:22   #
Grahame Loc: Fiji
 
wide2tele wrote:
Not grasping at straws, telling you how it is. I haven't got any images handy to post right now but I will find one next week and post it. I've worked at speed many, many times. I sure know what the camera AF can and can't handle. I'll give you an example and then you can try and rattle off a bunch of frames on a similar shot. You will either work ridiculously slowly to achieve your focus (you will still fail at times) or you will come back with a bunch of frames out of focus.


From your initial statement,

wide2tele wrote:

First, if you are a AF-S user and are looking for accurate focus with the AF-ON button set in AF-C mode, you won't achieve it. You'll miss critical focus in a massive amount of shots.


Whilst I have no interest in whether someone prefers one method to another I do find it very interesting when someone suggests that a specific method will have drastic consequences on their results, that being focus accuracy.

Perhaps to back up your statement it would assist if you describe the exact scenario, subject and location where your camera misses focus so much.

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Apr 2, 2021 16:11:43   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
CamB wrote:
It's almost too bad this is called 'back button focus.' Maybe alternative focus would be better because it doesn't have to involve your back button at all. Some complain that their thumb gets in the way or something else isn't right. Back button focus can be assigned to any button. Mine is assigned to the two FN buttons on the front of the camera and controlled by my third finger most of the time. (I just had to double check this as it's so automatic for me.) Set your camera up such that it works best for you.
...Cam
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Well, it's not on the top, it's not on the front, it's not on the side,
it's on the back. (Thumb works it.)
The back narrows it down, where "alternate" could be anywhere on the camera.
The back button is by default, an alternate button.
Call it what you want, I'll stay with convention.
Unless you are able to change convention, like to AFB.

Maybe they should color code all the buttons (mine are ALL black).
Then I'll nickname my camera M&M.

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Apr 2, 2021 16:16:39   #
LarryN Loc: Portland OR & Carbondale, CO
 
Gene51 wrote:
For me it saves me from having to switch from single shot to continuous and back. When I have focus taken off the shutter button, I am free to acquire focus with the back button and recompose, as well as hold the back button for continuous focus. I never use AF-S, only AF-C.


I agree totally with Gene. And if you usd the "Search" feature here you will find much discussion of the subject just type in "back button."

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Apr 2, 2021 16:25:51   #
photoman43
 
I stopped using the focus dot on Nikon cameras to confirm accurate focus about 20 years ago. Yes it got it close to correct, but for me never as sharp as needed.

I use BBF and AF-C for 99.99 % of my non macro shooting. I gave up on Af-S as I can do what AF-S does in AF-C and when I need AF-C I am already in it.

Google John Gerlarch Back button Focusing. His writeups are very good.

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Apr 2, 2021 16:30:29   #
Craigdca Loc: California
 
Paradise Pirate wrote:
I use it all the time on D810 and D7500. Dont have to worry about getting right pressure on shutter release button to activate focus without release. Allows focus and use of a 2 second (or longer) delay to capture scene.


Good tip! I use BBF in some situations and will try to remember it for this as an alternate to switching my lens to manual.

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Apr 2, 2021 17:00:57   #
al lehman Loc: San jose, ca.
 
Typically with landscape photography, the back button focus is not all that useful. However, How about the photographer who is jumping around a studio to capture a model in different positions where they might fire off 10 shots in 15 seconds at different camera locations, or the photographer who is trying to catch that bird image while the bird flits from one limb to another, or the moose that is on the move chasing females during the rut? All action related images demand a back button focus to capture moving subjects to simplify the focus process on moving subjects. The first thing I incorporate in any new camera is the back button focus. For me, any action photography demands back button focus.

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Apr 2, 2021 17:05:10   #
CamB Loc: Juneau, Alaska
 
Longshadow wrote:
Well, it's not on the top, it's not on the front, it's not on the side,
it's on the back. (Thumb works it.)
The back narrows it down, where "alternate" could be anywhere on the camera.
The back button is by default, an alternate button.
Call it what you want, I'll stay with convention.
Unless you are able to change convention, like to AFB.

Maybe they should color code all the buttons (mine are ALL black).
Then I'll nickname my camera M&M.
Well, it's not on the top, it's not on the front, ... (show quote)

My “back button focus” is on the front. It is operated by my third finger, not my thumb. So I guess it’s “front button focus.” You can assign it to any button.
...Cam

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