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Mar 31, 2021 20:53:43   #
Dannj
 
johngault007 wrote:
Not sure where OP said he wasn't allowed to have it at all. He was walking around the property with the intention on using it to take pictures at the resort.


Agree. Some of these responses are way off.

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Mar 31, 2021 21:07:37   #
Dannj
 
dpfoto wrote:
We've been staying at the same hotel on our trips to Orlando for close to 15 years. If they ever refuse to let me carry my camera there, it would be the last time I stay there. I would IMMEDIATELY cancel any reservation I had there, and find a different hotel.


I don’t think they’ll refuse to let you carry your camera coming and going from the property. And if they do refuse to let you carry it, you may want to find a different hotel BEFORE canceling your reservation.🥴

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Mar 31, 2021 21:08:03   #
crushr13 Loc: Sacramento, CA
 
A few years back, I went to a San Jose Sharks preseason hockey game in Fresno, CA. I wanted to take my Canon T1i with me, but somehow found that cameras with interchangeable lenses were not permitted. I called and asked why, and the reason was that that type of camera is reserved for use by the professional photographers covering the game. THEY can then insert the camera lenses through the holes in the hockey glass in the corners and take unobstructed pictures. So I took my point-and-shoot, and shot pictures with no problem.

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Apr 1, 2021 07:54:22   #
Jandjeby14
 
Seems strange to me. I could understand a prohibition for publishing or selling photos without permission. Such a policy would protect other guests and would assure that images of the resort would be high quality.
Several "professional" gardens in this area have that stipulation (no publication or sale without permission) and also stipulations that require permissions for monopods and tripods and for when they can be used, to not inconvenience other visitors.

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Apr 1, 2021 08:55:39   #
Delderby Loc: Derby UK
 
Hotels need to protect the privacy of their guests. Most guests don't care - but some do.

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Apr 1, 2021 09:05:56   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
Ditto, but they should make that policy known explicitly to visitors and customers, by the usual means.
Delderby wrote:
Hotels need to protect the privacy of their guests. Most guests don't care - but some do.

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Apr 1, 2021 09:07:07   #
applepie1951 Loc: Los Angeles,California
 
I do at lot of traveling especially overseas and I can pull out my iPhone 12 Pro Max (which takes better pictures then some DSLRs) and take pictures of anything anywhere anytime and no one (including Security) says a word, but let me pull out my Sony a7iii and everyone goes into panic mode as if I’m about to kill someone, I don’t get it, I can take the same picture with bout devices so what’s the problem what’s the difference stupid if you ask me.

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Apr 1, 2021 09:19:24   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
Dress like an American tourist: Athletic shoes (or flip-flops), baggy shorts, ball cap, and aloha shirt. This presentation may throw off security-types.
applepie1951 wrote:
I do at lot of traveling especially overseas and I can pull out my iPhone 12 Pro Max (which takes better pictures then some DSLRs) and take pictures of anything anywhere anytime and no one (including Security) says a word, but let me pull out my Sony a7iii and everyone goes into panic mode as if I’m about to kill someone, I don’t get it, I can take the same picture with bout devices so what’s the problem what’s the difference stupid if you ask me.

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Apr 1, 2021 09:35:38   #
PhotogHobbyist Loc: Bradford, PA
 
Mi630 wrote:
...not allowed to have “professional cameras” on property.


So a guest is therefore forbidden to even have a camera in their luggage, their vehicle or on their person? Sounds like a very conflicting policy for any hotel, motel or even B&B, especially those in tourist attraction areas. It may be clarifying to see the hotel's actual written policy regarding camera possession and use, in and on the establishment's property.

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Apr 1, 2021 09:35:58   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
TomHackett wrote:
There are unresolved questions over photography in public vs. private spaces. In the United States, a photographer is generally allowed to photograph virtually anything (except, apparently, child pronography and sensitive infrastructure, the photographing of which might constitute a terrorist threat) as long as the photographer is not trespassing on private (including government) property. That's not to say what the photographer can do with the images--there are privacy, copyright, trade mark, etc. concerns when it comes to publication.

An interesting question arises when "private" property takes on "public" characteristics. Do first amendment protections apply in some cases? In 2003, the Supreme Court let stand an appeals court ruling that the LDS (Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints) could not restrict speech in a "public" square that Salt Lake City had given to the Mormon Church. I have often wondered whether the courts might extend such rights to quasi-public venues such as large shopping malls that are privately owned, but treated almost like public gathering places.

Hotels are generally privately owned. But within the hotel, there are "private" spaces (e.g. guest rooms) and "public" spaces (e.g. the lobby and sometimes ballrooms or meeting rooms). If a hotel welcomes the public in its "public" spaces, for celebrations, meetings, weddings, etc., should it be required to grant first amendment rights to the public using such spaces?

On a related question, if a hotel guest rents a room, shouldn't that guest automatically be licensed to carry and store "professional" equipment in that room and transport it through the hotel?
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You are on to what I am thinking. Yes, private property but a fee was paid for board and services. Unreasonable restrictions could constitute a breach of contract. I've been a landlord, and you can not just make up rules as you go. The renter has rights too. Even attending a sports event has issues of contract law. Property is not the only right we have. Finding the balance point is the issue in everything.

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Apr 1, 2021 10:32:37   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
People like their privacy.

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Apr 1, 2021 10:55:01   #
Bridges Loc: Memphis, Charleston SC, now Nazareth PA
 
Mi630 wrote:
I had a first time experience recently. My wife and I recently stayed at the Fairmont Princess hotel in Scottsdale, AZ. We were there about 12 days. On the second to last day I was stopped by hotel security and told I was not allowed to have “professional cameras” on property. I sad a Sony a9 with a 200-600 mm lens. The property is beautiful with lots of wildlife to shoot. I’ve stayed there 4 or 5 times in the past with no problems. Security told me only cell phones were allowed.
I went and talked to a manager and was told that policy has been in effect for about 10 years. The manager further stated that no pro camera policies are in effect at almost all hotels. Something to do with social media and private property. Maybe they think I’m going to take some sort of voyeur shots. I don’t know. All the staff at the hotel were unaware of the policy and were dumbfounded when I told them what I was told. Never saw it expressed on their website either.
Any one else ever run into this issue?
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Most likely to protect privacy of other guests. How would you like to see a photo of you and your mistress holding hands on FB, knowing your wife could possibly see it as well! Also there is a possibility someone could be scouting the place for a hold-up or terrorist act.
Best thing to do, if the grounds are special enough to make an effort to shoot them, stay at another hotel nearby and go to the target hotel to get your shots. If you are staying there they can ask you to leave. If you aren’t staying there all they can do is ask you to exit their property. They may not see you at all and other than management and security the staff will mostly be unaware of the rule.

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Apr 1, 2021 11:11:20   #
petercbrandt Loc: New York City, Manhattan
 
Mi630 wrote:
I had a first time experience recently. My wife and I recently stayed at the Fairmont Princess hotel in Scottsdale, AZ. We were there about 12 days. On the second to last day I was stopped by hotel security and told I was not allowed to have “professional cameras” on property. I sad a Sony a9 with a 200-600 mm lens. The property is beautiful with lots of wildlife to shoot. I’ve stayed there 4 or 5 times in the past with no problems. Security told me only cell phones were allowed.
I went and talked to a manager and was told that policy has been in effect for about 10 years. The manager further stated that no pro camera policies are in effect at almost all hotels. Something to do with social media and private property. Maybe they think I’m going to take some sort of voyeur shots. I don’t know. All the staff at the hotel were unaware of the policy and were dumbfounded when I told them what I was told. Never saw it expressed on their website either.
Any one else ever run into this issue?
I had a first time experience recently. My wife an... (show quote)


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Does anyone know a lawyer friend?

Too much sounds ridiculous; pro /non-pro, open spaces, public /private property, sounds really vague !

Peter Brandt

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Apr 1, 2021 12:08:06   #
14kphotog Loc: Marietta, Ohio
 
Was in Cincinnati OH. to shoot a wedding at Christmas time. Stayed at "Embassy Suites" by "Hilton". Hotel was decorated for Christmas (beautiful), when they heard why I was there they offered for me to shoot some of the couple's pictures inside. They had a beautiful arch set up in the dinning area and I did shoot some of the wedding party and the couples photos there. The next day I shot many of the hotels decorations for them and sent them copies. I was invited to stay there again at a nice reduced price.

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Apr 1, 2021 14:15:33   #
M1911 Loc: DFW Metromess
 
I used to travel a lot and get stopped by various hotels because of my "professional" gear. I would hand the person a business card with my name, address, phone and occupation. The occupation was "Personal Injury Lawyer." That usually stopped their stupid stuff.

Keep in mind that my law degree came as a "wait there's more" add on to my mail order medical degree. Best $10 investment I ever made.

Also keep in mind that hotels may be private property but are also considered a public accommodation. Each state has various laws and regulations on those.

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