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Mar 26, 2021 08:21:58   #
Doc Mck Loc: Terrell,Texas
 
Agree

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Mar 26, 2021 08:22:49   #
Doc Mck Loc: Terrell,Texas
 
Buy a used canon sx50 or 60

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Mar 26, 2021 11:53:29   #
amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA
 
krashdragon wrote:
My b.f and I are planning a train ride around the country next year.
No tours, just riding and visiting a few relatives.
I have a Canon 6D, 50, 24 - 105, and 100 - 400 lenses.
My problem is the 6D is kind of bulky, I was thing of getting and R6 and the 24-240 lens.
The RP is smaller, but I'll eventually get an adapter and pbly a couple other lenses.
I'm not particularly enamored of the 24-105, seems I always need a bit more range.
Was also considering a 24-70, it's smaller. But way more expensive.
Was trying to just take 1 camera and 1 lens..Any comments or suggestions?
Thanks.
My b.f and I are planning a train ride around the ... (show quote)


Let's be realistic...

Canon 6D body weighs 770 grams (27 oz.)
Canon R6 body weighs 680 grams (24 oz.)

Canon 6D measures 145 x 111 x 71mm
Canon R6 measures 138 x 98 x 88mm

Not much difference. In fact, a 6D is rated to get 1090 shots per battery charge, while the R6 is rated to get 360 shots (mirrorless camera electronic viewfinder draws more power). As a result, you might need to carry more extra batteries with the R6, and there goes any minor weight savings.

https://cameradecision.com/compare/Canon-EOS-R6-vs-Canon-EOS-6D

There are three different EF 24-105mm lenses and two different RF 24-105mm lenses. Depending upon which you have and which you buy, the size and weight advantage can go either way.

There are also four different 100-400mm lenses... two Canon versions, a Sigma and a Tamron... that vary in size and weight. The Sigma is the lightest at about 2.5 lb. (but also the slowest and it has no tripod mounting ring). The first version Canon and Tamron both weigh a little over 3 lb. (the Tamron with optional tripod ring, while one is included on the Canon). The latest Canon 100-400mm II is the heaviest at around 3.5 lb. (includes tripod ring)

Certainly, regardless of which you have 24-105 and 100-400 you have... compared to carrying two lenses, the RF 24-240mm would be a weight/size savings. The RF 24-240mm is roughly the same size and weight of the heaviest 24-105mm. Of course, while it's more than double the reach of 105mm, 240mm is a lot shorter than 400mm.

You feel the 24-105mm "comes up short" a lot of the time, but didn't didn't mention WHAT you plan to shoot. That's important. Maybe a change in technique is all that's really needed. For example, if planning to shoot scenics or portraits, a 24-105mm should be plenty of range. But if shooting wildlife sometimes too, a longer lens would likely become a lot more important... though 240mm might not be long enough.

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/compare/Canon_RF_24-240mm_f_4-6.3_IS_USM_Lens_vs_Canon_EF_24-105mm_f_3.5-5.6_IS_STM_Lens_vs_Canon_EF_24-105mm_f_4L_IS_II_USM_Lens_vs_Canon_RF_24-105mm_f_4L_IS_USM_Lens/BHitems/1490987-REG_1081813-REG_1274709-REG_1433712-REG

Another approach might be Canon's EF 28-300mm L on your 6D. That's not a lightweight lens at a little over 3.5 lb., which means it's roughly 2 lb. heavier than the RF 24-240mm. But the weight of the 28-300mm includes a tripod mounting ring and lens hood (both optional on other lenses, neither included w/24-240mm)... and it's approx. 1 lb. lighter than carrying 24-105mm AND 100-400mm (maybe more, depending upon which of those lenses you have).

Spend some time reviewing your options at https://www.the-digital-picture.com/. Bryan very thoroughly reviews virtually every lens available for use on Canon cameras, as well as both DSLRs and mirrorless themselves and provides means of directly comparing image quality and more. He also confirms weights and sizes (which vary from the manufacturers' specs surprisingly often).

Finally, maybe you just want something new and there's nothing at all wrong with that. One thing I'd recommend is to purchase anything you decide well in advance of your trip so you can try out the gear, go through any learning curve and get comfortable with it. Otherwise it can be frustrating if things are back ordered so don't arrive in time for a trip and you might miss some shots trying to learn new gear while traveling.

Last year I wanted something new and different. I've been shooting with Canon DSLRs for over fifteen years... both APS-C and full frame. I've also got a couple older Canon point n shoots (a G series and an A series).

I wanted a "street" camera that would double for candid portraiture and travel. It needed to be small, light, and unobtrusive. I preferred Canon so that might be able to share some accessories and because I'm accustomed to a lot of their designs, controls, labels and conventions.

I ended up buying a Canon M5 mirrorless, APS-C camera and four prime lenses for use on it (a superwide, a wide/normal, a short telephoto/portrait and a moderate telephoto/macro). It fits into a small shoulder bag and with some typical accessories the entire kit weighs less than one of my DSLRs with it's battery grip and lens. I'm still getting accustomed to using it. The M5 seems really small after using a series of DSLRs and film SLRs before that. At first it was almost uncomfortable, how small the camera and some of the lenses were.

My point is, get what makes you happy. But also think outside the box. Maybe an APS-C camera and a couple reasonably compact lenses would serve you better than the full frame DSLRs. For example, on a Canon APS-C camera like the 90D, T7i or the very light and compact SL3, a Canon EF-S 55-250mm IS STM will "act like" an 88mm to 400mm lens would on your 6D. And that 55-250mm lens is about half the weight of the RF 24-240mm and more than 3 lb. lighter than the current Canon EF 100-400mm II.

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Mar 26, 2021 12:06:18   #
Sidwalkastronomy Loc: New Jersey Shore
 
GAS attacks will kill you and credit card

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Mar 26, 2021 12:15:12   #
larryepage Loc: North Texas area
 
amfoto1 wrote:
Let's be realistic...

Canon 6D body weighs 770 grams (27 oz.)
Canon R6 body weighs 680 grams (24 oz.)

Canon 6D measures 145 x 111 x 71mm
Canon R6 measures 138 x 98 x 88mm

Not much difference. In fact, a 6D is rated to get 1090 shots per battery charge, while the R6 is rated to get 360 shots (mirrorless camera electronic viewfinder draws more power). As a result, you might need to carry more extra batteries with the R6, and there goes any minor weight savings.

https://cameradecision.com/compare/Canon-EOS-R6-vs-Canon-EOS-6D

There are three different EF 24-105mm lenses and two different RF 24-105mm lenses. Depending upon which you have and which you buy, the size and weight advantage can go either way.

There are also four different 100-400mm lenses... two Canon versions, a Sigma and a Tamron... that vary in size and weight. The Sigma is the lightest at about 2.5 lb. (but also the slowest and it has no tripod mounting ring). The first version Canon and Tamron both weigh a little over 3 lb. (the Tamron with optional tripod ring, while one is included on the Canon). The latest Canon 100-400mm II is the heaviest at around 3.5 lb. (includes tripod ring)

Certainly, regardless of which you have 24-105 and 100-400 you have... compared to carrying two lenses, the RF 24-240mm would be a weight/size savings. The RF 24-240mm is roughly the same size and weight of the heaviest 24-105mm. Of course, while it's more than double the reach of 105mm, 240mm is a lot shorter than 400mm.

You feel the 24-105mm "comes up short" a lot of the time, but didn't didn't mention WHAT you plan to shoot. That's important. Maybe a change in technique is all that's really needed. For example, if planning to shoot scenics or portraits, a 24-105mm should be plenty of range. But if shooting wildlife sometimes too, a longer lens would likely become a lot more important... though 240mm might not be long enough.

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/compare/Canon_RF_24-240mm_f_4-6.3_IS_USM_Lens_vs_Canon_EF_24-105mm_f_3.5-5.6_IS_STM_Lens_vs_Canon_EF_24-105mm_f_4L_IS_II_USM_Lens_vs_Canon_RF_24-105mm_f_4L_IS_USM_Lens/BHitems/1490987-REG_1081813-REG_1274709-REG_1433712-REG

Another approach might be Canon's EF 28-300mm L on your 6D. That's not a lightweight lens at a little over 3.5 lb., which means it's roughly 2 lb. heavier than the RF 24-240mm. But the weight of the 28-300mm includes a tripod mounting ring and lens hood (both optional on other lenses, neither included w/24-240mm)... and it's approx. 1 lb. lighter than carrying 24-105mm AND 100-400mm (maybe more, depending upon which of those lenses you have).

Spend some time reviewing your options at https://www.the-digital-picture.com/. Bryan very thoroughly reviews virtually every lens available for use on Canon cameras, as well as both DSLRs and mirrorless themselves and provides means of directly comparing image quality and more. He also confirms weights and sizes (which vary from the manufacturers' specs surprisingly often).

Finally, maybe you just want something new and there's nothing at all wrong with that. One thing I'd recommend is to purchase anything you decide well in advance of your trip so you can try out the gear, go through any learning curve and get comfortable with it. Otherwise it can be frustrating if things are back ordered so don't arrive in time for a trip and you might miss some shots trying to learn new gear while traveling.
Let's be realistic... br br Canon 6D body weighs ... (show quote)


The comments about battery life can be important. If you have first class (sleeping) accommodations, you will have one 110 volt outlet, maybe two. If you are in coach, recharging batteries may not be completely impossible, but it will be difficult at the very least.

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Mar 26, 2021 18:56:38   #
krashdragon
 
larryepage wrote:
This extra information is very interesting. I've done the trip from Seattle as far south as Los Angeles, then to Phoenix, when my wife was ready to fly the rest of the way home to Dallas. Also have ridden the San Diegan from Los Angeles to San Diego and back. This will be a side trip for you. San Diego is not on the transcontinental route. We have not yet ridden the Empire Builder across the northern route, nor done a lot in the eastern US.

The Coast Starlight (Los Angeles - Seattle) is about 20 hours, as I recall. The key with all train trips is how they fit with daylight hours and then how they fit with daylight hours when they get behind schedule, which is not a rare thing. So it is good to have a plan, but it is somewhat likely that you will have to adjust that plan.

SLO is a good starting place. Even though the train is called the Coast Starlight, it doesn't spend a lot of miles really close to the coast, so you have to keep your eyes open. Looks like in the current schedule, it leaves around 3:30 and gets to San Francisco (actually Oakland, I think) just before dark. Morning comes somewhere around Klamath Falls, and arrival in Seattle is around 8:00 in the evening. So you get most of western Oregon and western Washington in the daylight, including the Tacoma Nrrows Bridge ("Galloping Gertie.")

The Sunset Limited leaves New Orleans at 9:00 AM, gets to Houston a little after 6:00, and to San Antonio around midnight. There is a mid-trip inspection & service there, and it departs just before 3:00 AM. Daylight comes somewhere around Del Rio, and it gets dark near Maricopa, Arizona, which is the Phoenix stop. (The train no longer serves Phoenix directly.) Arrival at LAUPT is about 5:30 AM, but in the past, you were allowed to stay on board a little later. The San Diegans depart from the same station where the Sunset arrives. I have to tell you that except for Port Arthur - San Antonio, you will not be crossing a particularly picturesque portion of our state. You will be between and among a lot of our best attractions, but they will be 100-200 miles away.

I hope you enjoy your trip. I'd like to do the same someday. Let us know how it goes. I have always found travel by train to be very comfortable and relaxing. Space is not unlimited, but it is also not at a premium, like on an airplane. If you don't decide to buy something new, you will have plenty of space to comfortably use what you have. Also...please take a picture of the tree at the SLO depot and post it for us. It is a very cool tree. (Is it still there? It was about 25 years ago that I last saw it, and I couldn't find it on Google Earth.)

Neither of these two train are daily trains. They run three days a week in each direction. So a layover is for a minimum of two days and could be for three days.
This extra information is very interesting. I've ... (show quote)


Cool. lots of info. Next time I'm there, I look for whatever tree. I'll ask about it. Was there a name or what kind of tree?
Also, I live in Texas, sou th of Ft Worth. so no biggie. We've both been in every state except Alaska, so miles and miles of nothing is ok.

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Mar 26, 2021 18:57:50   #
krashdragon
 
Doc Mck wrote:
Buy a used canon sx50 or 60


Iok.I actually have one, guess I should use it more and see if it's ok.
Won't cover GAS, but maybe after we get back....

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Mar 26, 2021 18:59:52   #
krashdragon
 
Sidwalkastronomy wrote:
GAS attacks will kill you and credit card


yup. trying to keep a cards with 0 until I pay the 3rd one off....

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Mar 26, 2021 19:30:30   #
larryepage Loc: North Texas area
 
krashdragon wrote:
Cool. lots of info. Next time I'm there, I look for whatever tree. I'll ask about it. Was there a name or what kind of tree?
Also, I live in Texas, sou th of Ft Worth. so no biggie. We've both been in every state except Alaska, so miles and miles of nothing is ok.


Cool. I didn't realize that you were a neighbor...jumped to the conclusion that you lived in or near San Luis Obispo.

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Mar 26, 2021 23:42:16   #
amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA
 
Canon 6D camera body (20MP)........... 770 grams
Canon EF 24-105mm STM IS lens........ 525 grams (lightest of 4 versions)
Sigma 100-400mm OS HSM lens........ 1160 grams (lightest of 4 versions)
Kit weight..................... 2369 grams (84 oz. or 5.25 lb.)

Canon R6 full frame camera (20MP).... 680 grams
Canon RF 24-240mm IS STM lens....... 751 grams
Kit weight......................1431 grams (52 oz. or 3.25 lb.)

Canon SL3 APS-C DSLR (24MP).......... 449 grams
Canon EF-S 18-55mm STM lens.......... 215 grams (equiv. to 29-88mm on full frame)
Canon EF-S 55-250mm STM IS Lens... 375 grams (equiv. to 88-400mm on FF)
Kit weight.................... 1039 grams (37 oz. or 2.33 lb.)

Canon M50 II APS-C mirrorless (24MP)... 387 grams
Canon EF-M 15-45mm STM lens............. 130 grams (equiv. to 24-70mm on FF)
Canon EF-M 55-200mm STM IS lens....... 260 grams (equiv. to 88-350mm on FF)
Kit weight.......................... 777 grams (28 oz. or 1.75 lb.)

Another possible consideration:

Canon R6 with RF 24-240mm lens........... $3399
Canon SL3 with 18-55 & 55-250 lenses...... $949
Canon M50 II w/15-45 & 22-200 lenses..... $878

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Mar 27, 2021 00:32:55   #
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joer wrote:
I shot several events and two weddings using just the 24-105...speaks for itself.

Well then stuff a sock in it ! You don’t want to risk it getting all chatty right when the couple is reciting their vows !

BTW, is your wedding beast also your vacation companion ? I spoze if you left it behind at home, and brought along a more svelte traveling partner, you’d get a real earful about that when you get home :-(

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Mar 29, 2021 07:28:35   #
dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia
 
Sidwalkastronomy wrote:
GAS attacks will kill you and credit card


But what a way to go!

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Mar 29, 2021 07:31:01   #
dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia
 
larryepage wrote:
The comments about battery life can be important. If you have first class (sleeping) accommodations, you will have one 110 volt outlet, maybe two. If you are in coach, recharging batteries may not be completely impossible, but it will be difficult at the very least.


Good point. I would like to add, book Amtrak early! You can often get sleeping compartments by booking early for nearly the same price as a seat booked later. The early bird.....gets to sleep in.

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Mar 29, 2021 19:50:20   #
krashdragon
 
larryepage wrote:
Cool. I didn't realize that you were a neighbor...jumped to the conclusion that you lived in or near San Luis Obispo.


my b.f. lives near there.

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Mar 30, 2021 10:10:29   #
PHRubin Loc: Nashville TN USA
 
billnikon wrote:
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1437917-REG/sony_dsc_hx99_b_cyber_shot_dsc_hx99_digital_camera.html?sts=pi&pim=Y
You will not regret your purchase. It takes outstanding images and best of all you can really enjoy your trip.


I have the Panasonic Lumix DCZS80 and it competes nicely with the Sony. You can compare them here:
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/compare/Sony_DSC-HX99_vs_Panasonic_DC-ZS80/BHitems/1437917-REG_1460323-REG

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