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Mar 18, 2021 06:27:29   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
Thomas902 wrote:
Shooter41 try playing with a circular polarizer....

Circular Polarizing Filters can (and do) reduce reflections emitting off the subjects you're photographing. The effect is, darker deeper sky color and ability to see through windows and water that otherwise portray only surface reflections. btw, they are cherished by architectural shooters...

Getting it right in camera has fallen out of favor with today's enthusiast albeit commercial shooters know better...

Can a Circular Polarizing Filter enhance "Reflections"? Shooter41 this ball is now in your court...
Final thoughts? Bird on water or Bird in flight? Might take your visual statement to the next level with BIF.
Just a thought...

All the best on your journey Shooter41.
And please stay safe...
Shooter41 try playing with a circular polarizer...... (show quote)


I think the only thing that a polarizer can do in this situation would be to reveal what is below the surface. I've gotten reflections on water with the sun in all positions, and even on cloudy days - which is why I said that the only thing that matters is the flatness of the water. If it is totally flat - it wouldn't be any difference than if I placed a big mirror in front of the duck - I would get a reflection.

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Mar 18, 2021 07:36:18   #
Uuglypher Loc: South Dakota (East River)
 
Shooter41 wrote:
Early this morning I shot images of wild birds at the Great Plains Nature Center in Wichita, KS. While photographing a Northern Shoveller Duck swimming in their pond, I noticed that one of my shots featured a reflection in the water and I had no idea how I did it. What direction does the sun need to hit our subject in order to get a reflection in water? Can I alter the reflection by moving and causing the sun to be in a different direction in relation to me and my camera when I take the picture? Thank you in advance for sharing your comments.
Early this morning I shot images of wild birds at ... (show quote)


I have a friend who swears he was told, years ago - and by a famous photographer - that the sun’s light should ALWAYS come from over your right shoulder, and he has lived by that principle ever since. Now mind you, his images are all lacking somewhat in originality, but by God those pesky shadows always fall away from him! He finds that to be a pleasing, reliable consistency! His walls are covered with pictures of uniformly squinting family members and friends.
Just sayin’.
Dave

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Mar 18, 2021 07:41:32   #
Pablo8 Loc: Nottingham UK.
 
Shooter41 wrote:
Is there any filter or technique that will enhance a reflection in water like the one in my duck image? I would like the reflection to be stronger. if possible.


Use your editing programme (P Shop) and Magic Wand the reflection, carry out enhancing tools to give you the result you desire.

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Mar 18, 2021 07:45:05   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
Gene51 wrote:
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Cloudy day, no sun:

_DSC3803-NIKON D810-3007990-(14-05-19)-Edit-Edit by Gene Lugo, on Flickr

Confused- ripples to the right, ripples to the left, yet no ripples in the bird reflection.

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Mar 18, 2021 07:59:54   #
Pablo8 Loc: Nottingham UK.
 
Uuglypher wrote:
I have a friend who swears he was told, years ago - and by a famous photographer - that the sun’s light should ALWAYS come from over your right shoulder, and he has lived by that principle ever since. Now mind you, his images are all lacking somewhat in originality, but by God those pesky shadows always fall away from him! He finds that to be a pleasing, reliable consistency! His walls are covered with pictures of uniformly squinting family members and friends.
Just sayin’.
Dave


George Eastman had that principal thought, also.

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Mar 18, 2021 08:07:10   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
Uuglypher wrote:
I have a friend who swears he was told, years ago - and by a famous photographer - that the sun’s light should ALWAYS come from over your right shoulder, and he has lived by that principle ever since. Now mind you, his images are all lacking somewhat in originality, but by God those pesky shadows always fall away from him! He finds that to be a pleasing, reliable consistency! His walls are covered with pictures of uniformly squinting family members and friends.
Just sayin’.
Dave


Maybe because the shadows create "movement" in our minds?
Shadow to the left, movement to the right.
Most people like movement to the right more than movement to the left?

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Mar 18, 2021 08:40:38   #
Uuglypher Loc: South Dakota (East River)
 
Longshadow wrote:
Maybe because the shadows create "movement" in our minds?
Shadow to the left, movement to the right.
Most people like movement to the right more than movement to the left?


Ah, of course! Depending, of course upon whether they normally read Semitic languages( and a variety of Asian languages) or Western European languages commonly using Greco-Roman orthography. Silly of me not to have noted that. Mea culpa magna est! (Thump, thump)
Dave

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Mar 18, 2021 08:47:28   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
Uuglypher wrote:
Ah, of course! Depending, of course upon whether they normally read Semitic languages( and a variety of Asian languages) or Western European languages commonly using Greco-Roman orthography. Silly of me not to have noted that. Mea culpa magna est! (Thump, thump)
Dave

I've no idea. Do people who read right to left prefer movement in a picture to the left?
What about people who read up and down? Which movement do they prefer?

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Mar 18, 2021 15:01:51   #
Shooter41 Loc: Wichita, KS
 
Gene51 wrote:
Don't give me so much credit. I just have done it a gazillion times in the past . . . Nice pic and lighting, btw.

Cloudy day, no sun:

_DSC3803-NIKON D810-3007990-(14-05-19)-Edit-Edit by Gene Lugo, on Flickr

Similar angle, but after a breeze kicked up and made ripples on the water:

_DSC3699-NIKON D810-3007990-(14-05-19)-Edit by Gene Lugo, on Flickr
Don't give me so much credit. I just have done it ... (show quote)


Dear Gene Lugo... Your shot of the bird in the water on a cloudy day with no wind and no ripples on top of the water is excellent. The reflection is almost a good as the actual image of the bird. Did you shoot that shot with the reflection in mind, or was it just a lucky accident like my lucky shot of the Shoveller? I will take odds that you knew what you were doing from the get-go. Thank you for sharing.

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Mar 19, 2021 05:27:02   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
Uuglypher wrote:
I have a friend who swears he was told, years ago - and by a famous photographer - that the sun’s light should ALWAYS come from over your right shoulder, and he has lived by that principle ever since. Now mind you, his images are all lacking somewhat in originality, but by God those pesky shadows always fall away from him! He finds that to be a pleasing, reliable consistency! His walls are covered with pictures of uniformly squinting family members and friends.
Just sayin’.
Dave


That may work ok for landscapes/cityscapes etc, but it sure makes for a lot of squinty eyes when people are in the picture

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Mar 19, 2021 05:32:00   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
Shooter41 wrote:
Dear Gene Lugo... Your shot of the bird in the water on a cloudy day with no wind and no ripples on top of the water is excellent. The reflection is almost a good as the actual image of the bird. Did you shoot that shot with the reflection in mind, or was it just a lucky accident like my lucky shot of the Shoveller? I will take odds that you knew what you were doing from the get-go. Thank you for sharing.


Thanks!

The lesser yellowlegs was planned. It was around for about a week, but lots of clear-sky, sunny days with wind made for less than optimal lighting. This was an early morning shot on an overcast day with very still water - my favorite of about 60 images I took of it.

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Mar 19, 2021 05:35:30   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
Longshadow wrote:
Confused- ripples to the right, ripples to the left, yet no ripples in the bird reflection.


It was a very shallow, gently flowing stream on a calm day. The ripples were caused by stuff under the water.

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Mar 19, 2021 06:58:36   #
R.G. Loc: Scotland
 
If the subject is well lit it will be clear and detailed, and so will the reflection - if the water is smooth. If the subject is backlit it will be silhouetted (in varying degrees depending on how extreme the lighting is), and so will the reflection. Smooth light can produce a well lit subject (and reflection) but it won't be as clear or as vivid as a brightly lit subject. Having the sun come over your shoulder was probably optimum, but certainly not the only possibility.
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Sun coming from behind and to the right.
Sun coming from behind and to the right....

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Mar 19, 2021 07:31:46   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
Gene51 wrote:
It was a very shallow, gently flowing stream on a calm day. The ripples were caused by stuff under the water.

Shouldn't the reflected bird image be wavy in places also?

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