CDC report admits that masks mandates decreased covid spread by about one, measly percent.
Mar 10, 2021 11:27:08 #
dpullum wrote:
Viruses are not just viruses, they are contained w... (show quote)
Since you seem to believe the Chinese, the same people who lied about the virus to start with, and not believe the CDC, why don't you just move there. They have lied every step of the way, yet now you cite them to try to show that masks work when the CDC data says they don't.
Why is it that those of you on the left want so badly to try to force people to wear masks? Every major study ever done on mask usage either says they don't work or that the benefits are nominal. Studies going back to 2009 or even earlier show no or very limited benefit. The latest CDC report shows the same thing.
Yet, the left the CDC, and Faucci are still pushing the lie. If it was N95 masks maybe we could have a rationale discussion abut this, but it isn't N95 masks we are talking about. It is cloth masks and they don't work.
Mar 10, 2021 11:29:04 #
berchman wrote:
Mask mandates are one thing and universal wearing of masks is another. I have seen many people violate mask requirements posted on the entrance of businesses. I have also seen masks worn below the nose. So these statistics you post are meaningless.
The statistics aren't meaningless. They clearly show that mask mandates don't work. Something we already knew since Florida is doing better than California head up. So, since we know mask mandates don't work, why are they still in place?
This isn't about the pandemic, it's about control and always has been.
Mar 10, 2021 11:35:50 #
boberic wrote:
I am just going by the CDC numbers. If as the CDC says masks are 1% effective that means that 5,000 fatalitiues have been pervented by mask wearing. Not skewed, even a little. I have no way of knowing if the CDC numbers are correct. But as an aside, it's time to open things up.
The CDC doesn't actually say they have 1 percent efficacy. They say .05 percent efficacy, and then rounded up. .05 is within the margin of error, meaning that there may be zero benefit, but at best there is nominal benefit.
So, at best we saved 5,000 people, while we have seen a spike in suicides, negating much of the saving. We are causing untold human cost, for little or no benefit. So, even the supposed saving of 5,000 isn't really true because it doesn't count all of those who have died because of our efforts to save others.
As far as your aside. I agree with that. We never should have shut things down. We should have told the elderly to shelter in place. Spent all of our relief efforts making sure that they had the necessary supplies and protecting them while everyone else went on about their business.
Had we done that the economy would still be good. Unemployment would still be good, and our death rate would be much lower, since most of the deaths are still in the 75 and up group. It should have been simple, but whenever politics get involved things are never simple.
Mar 10, 2021 11:37:29 #
Of course, CDC deals with statistics and tries to formulate probabilities, but that masks protect is a matter of common sense. Translate to water. A certain percentage of persons immersed in water die, but the use of diving bells is a matter of common sense.
Mar 10, 2021 11:41:46 #
berchman
Loc: South Central PA
btbg wrote:
This isn't about the pandemic, it's about control and always has been.
This isn't about the pandemic, it's about control and always has been.
Yeah, next thing you know they'll be trying to tell us that red meat and alcohol are bad for our health, but I see plenty of bros scarfing down steak and shots and they look plenty healthy to me.
Mar 10, 2021 13:23:27 #
berchman
Loc: South Central PA
btbg wrote:
This isn't about the pandemic, it's about control and always has been.
This isn't about the pandemic, it's about control and always has been.
Here's a woman who heroically refuses to be controlled vis-a-vis masks:
"Subhakar Khadka’s Uber passenger started screaming profanity and racial slurs at him shortly after he picked her and two friends up in San Francisco on Sunday. He had just stopped to let her buy a mask at a gas station, but now she was refusing to wear it.
“F--- the mask,” the woman said.
Then, leaning toward the driver, she ripped off her mask and coughed on him several times.
“And I got corona,” another passenger said, laughing. Then the woman who had coughed grabbed the driver’s phone and tore his mask off his face."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/03/10/uber-driver-assault-mask-san-francisco/
Mar 10, 2021 13:28:09 #
InfinitISO "You are missing the point, my friend. This study is about the efficacy of mask mandates as executed by our populace. This study is using vast amounts of data. In short, our execution of mask mandates has not gained us a thing. "
Yes, if you mandate and only few wear masks then the mandate did little. However, as I show if indeed the population followed a nationwide mandate then the mask would be very effective. Your post suggests that people should not wear masks since the mandate is ineffective... tho the masks are effective.
If there is a mandate to drive on the right side and no one follows that mandate then there would be many collisions. Mandates are only effective if enforced. Lack of following does not mean the mandate was the problem only that those who do not follow it make it ineffective.
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Berchman's story suggests the woman was guilty of reckless endangerment.
Yes, if you mandate and only few wear masks then the mandate did little. However, as I show if indeed the population followed a nationwide mandate then the mask would be very effective. Your post suggests that people should not wear masks since the mandate is ineffective... tho the masks are effective.
If there is a mandate to drive on the right side and no one follows that mandate then there would be many collisions. Mandates are only effective if enforced. Lack of following does not mean the mandate was the problem only that those who do not follow it make it ineffective.
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Berchman's story suggests the woman was guilty of reckless endangerment.
Mar 10, 2021 13:58:02 #
dpullum wrote:
InfinitISO "You are missing the point, my fri... (show quote)
Californians would tell you they've been pretty good at following the mask mandates there, except for the politicians.
They certainly aren't doing significantly better than states with more liberal masking policies.Mar 10, 2021 14:21:18 #
dpullum wrote:
InfinitISO "You are missing the point, my fri... (show quote)
I think you are missing the point that this is a free country and our Govt. Cannot enforce laboratory style mandates on people that infringe on their rights no matter how much you and the Chinese Communists are want to do.
Let me give you another example. You cannot outlaw firearms in this country no matter how efficacious this seems in your dreams.
Mar 10, 2021 14:26:05 #
berchman
Loc: South Central PA
dpullum wrote:
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Berchman's story suggests the woman was guilty of reckless endangerment.
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Berchman's story suggests the woman was guilty of reckless endangerment.
The woman is pure trailer trash as can be gleaned from her live streamed video on Twitter. https://twitter.com/davenewworld_2/status/1369327881265020937
She's Iranian-American and her family has enough money to send her on vacation to Hawaii, Turkey, Virgin Islands--among others. Her instagram postings show what a piece of trash she is. https://www.instagram.com/keepinupwforeign/
Mar 10, 2021 15:31:04 #
InfiniteISO wrote:
Californians would tell you they've been pretty good at following the mask mandates there, except for the politicians. They certainly aren't doing significantly better than states with more liberal masking policies.
They certainly aren't doing significantly better than states with more liberal masking policies.Very true, in my outings which are many i have only witnessed one person without a mask in the Los Angeles area.
I will add a correction, I take my Grandson to the Skate Parks and very few of the youngsters wear masks including the Grandson, so far they seem immune to the virus.
Mar 10, 2021 16:29:57 #
lenben
Loc: Seattle
Without going into Covid, note that since social isolation and masks, the incidence of ordinary flu has dropped to practically zero with no reported deaths compared to the usual 40,000 deaths per year from this cause. Can you explain this based upon something other than the masks and isolation ?
Mar 10, 2021 16:40:44 #
dpullum wrote:
1% of 500,000 lives = 5000 lives saved if approach... (show quote)
Three simple and obvious thoughts. First, it’s is more than apparent that the power hungry blue governors are fully engrossed in their emergency powers. Gavin Newsom announced Cali will ‘never go back to normal’ so it seems Covid is a Trojan Horse to implement radical policies from basic unearned income to open borders to health care mandates, energy mandates and who knows what else. Second, no policy ha prevented ONE death, but rather the time of some, some delayed and some accelerated, like those whose operable disease is now inoperable, whose depression, loss of job, of independence or liberty Lee to suicide, or maybe 30000 o more who were effectively executed by being housed in infected nursing facilities. And thirdly, any actual suppression nor infection rates, even wrongly assuming he lock downs were based on Covid rather than political expedience, would only extend the duration, also in the vein of exponentially.
Mar 10, 2021 17:57:28 #
dpullum wrote:
InfinitISO "You are missing the point, my fri... (show quote)
You haven't shown anything. You have cited a Chinese study. Why would any of us believe a Chinese study. They lied about the virus from the start, why should we believe them now?
And his post is correct. There is no evidence that masks work. Look at the CDC's own study in Vietnam in 2009 where they gave a third of the nurses N95 masks a third cloth masks and a third nothing. The cloth mask recipients got sick at the highest rate. Yet, the CDC instead of finding that cloth masks are ineffective decided that they must have improperly worn them. No evidence of that. Just blind faith that masks work and since they didn't it must be the fault of the wearer.
The Marine study at Paris Island last year show masks don't work. The Danish study last year show that masks don't work. Now the CDC study shows that mask mandates don't work. What will it take for you to wake up and figure out that masks really don't work. At least not cloth masks.
Mar 10, 2021 18:52:59 #
The study does not say what percent decrease in COVID can be attributed to masks. Because the actual rate of increase varied from county to county, the study measured the change in percentage points of change. So if the increase in COVID was 4% without masks and 3% with masks, the difference would be ONE PERCENTAGE POINT - but the total difference could be 25%. This is not a very good article, in my opinion. It is confusing and doesn't really apply the data in real terms.
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