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Mar 9, 2021 13:57:36   #
robertjerl Loc: Corona, California
 
02Nomad wrote:
Having retired as a respiratory therapist after 42 years, I have used inhalers with patients for most of that time. The major problem that I have witnessed is improper technique when using the inhaler. Most physicians have no idea on proper technique so they tell their patients to seal their lips around the mouthpiece, squirt twice and take a fast deep breath. During an asthma attack, that is what most patients do and they find that they get little, if any, relief.
Proper technique is as follows: Relax as much as possible!
1) shake the inhaler to ensure proper mixture of the contents
2) exhale completely
3) hold the mouthpiece of the inhaler approximately 1 inch (approximately the width of 2 fingers) in front of your open mouth - DO NOT place the inhaler inside your mouth!
4) as you start to S-L-O-W-L-Y inhale, activate the inhaler with one squeeze
5) continue to slowly breathe in until your lungs are full and then hold that breath for 5 to 10 seconds
6) exhale
7) after about a minute, repeat the process.

The biggest problem with the "seal your lips around the mouthpiece and squirt twice" method is that doing so only coats the surface of your mouth and the back of your throat. Then you are trying to take a deep breath with your lips sealed around the mouthpiece - really restrictive! And the results are that you will not get the relief that you are seeking so you will either over use the medication or stop taking it completely. Remember, the medication is in the form of tiny droplets, breathing in slowly will carry those droplets as deep into the lung as possible. The BEST technique would be to ask your physician to order a "spacer" for the Albuterol. It almost completely negates improper technique!

As to the steroidal inhaler, the medication is in the form of a dry powder, so the technique for proper use is different. Seal your lips around the mouthpiece, activate the inhaler and simultaneously take in as fast a breath as possible. Hold that breath for 5 to 10 seconds and exhale. Rinse your mouth after use.
Having retired as a respiratory therapist after 42... (show quote)


Thanks for posting this. I have seen it before long ago and will admit that with the rescue inhaler I have fallen back to the sealed lips most of the time and have to correct from time to time. But I had a lot of years with the wrong method before I learned better. Habits are hard to break.

I have always done the steroid inhaler correctly. And of course the nebulizer is pretty much made to only do one way. Though I have heard of half face and full face masks that attach to a nebulizer.

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Mar 9, 2021 14:53:35   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
02Nomad wrote:
Having retired as a respiratory therapist after 42 years, I have used inhalers with patients for most of that time. The major problem that I have witnessed is improper technique when using the inhaler. Most physicians have no idea on proper technique so they tell their patients to seal their lips around the mouthpiece, squirt twice and take a fast deep breath. During an asthma attack, that is what most patients do and they find that they get little, if any, relief.
Proper technique is as follows: Relax as much as possible!
1) shake the inhaler to ensure proper mixture of the contents
2) exhale completely
3) hold the mouthpiece of the inhaler approximately 1 inch (approximately the width of 2 fingers) in front of your open mouth - DO NOT place the inhaler inside your mouth!
4) as you start to S-L-O-W-L-Y inhale, activate the inhaler with one squeeze
5) continue to slowly breathe in until your lungs are full and then hold that breath for 5 to 10 seconds
6) exhale
7) after about a minute, repeat the process.

The biggest problem with the "seal your lips around the mouthpiece and squirt twice" method is that doing so only coats the surface of your mouth and the back of your throat. Then you are trying to take a deep breath with your lips sealed around the mouthpiece - really restrictive! And the results are that you will not get the relief that you are seeking so you will either over use the medication or stop taking it completely. Remember, the medication is in the form of tiny droplets, breathing in slowly will carry those droplets as deep into the lung as possible. The BEST technique would be to ask your physician to order a "spacer" for the Albuterol. It almost completely negates improper technique!

As to the steroidal inhaler, the medication is in the form of a dry powder, so the technique for proper use is different. Seal your lips around the mouthpiece, activate the inhaler and simultaneously take in as fast a breath as possible. Hold that breath for 5 to 10 seconds and exhale. Rinse your mouth after use.
Having retired as a respiratory therapist after 42... (show quote)


Thanks - very useful information!

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Mar 9, 2021 15:43:11   #
JBRIII
 
whatdat wrote:
Jerry, you’re right. Tried it several years ago. For me, Wixela didn’t work that well so went back to Advair. People vary. I changed Pulmonologist last year when other one retired. New prescribed using albuterol inhaler & nebulizer several times a day. Had more shortness of breath so quit using them except as needed which was a lot less; feel better. His nurse told me that happens sometimes & I should tell the Doc. Will see how that goes over.


Body can get use to things, like habit forming drugs, then you need more, or maybe they don't work at all. High blood pressure meds that once worked, no longer have any effect in my case, every 10 yrs or so go to something new.
Nose sprays are notorious that way, hand lotions or in my case Blistex can be the same way.

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Mar 9, 2021 15:46:02   #
HOHIMER
 
02Nomad wrote:
Having retired as a respiratory therapist after 42 years, I have used inhalers with patients for most of that time. The major problem that I have witnessed is improper technique when using the inhaler. Most physicians have no idea on proper technique so they tell their patients to seal their lips around the mouthpiece, squirt twice and take a fast deep breath. During an asthma attack, that is what most patients do and they find that they get little, if any, relief.
Proper technique is as follows: Relax as much as possible!
1) shake the inhaler to ensure proper mixture of the contents
2) exhale completely
3) hold the mouthpiece of the inhaler approximately 1 inch (approximately the width of 2 fingers) in front of your open mouth - DO NOT place the inhaler inside your mouth!
4) as you start to S-L-O-W-L-Y inhale, activate the inhaler with one squeeze
5) continue to slowly breathe in until your lungs are full and then hold that breath for 5 to 10 seconds
6) exhale
7) after about a minute, repeat the process.

The biggest problem with the "seal your lips around the mouthpiece and squirt twice" method is that doing so only coats the surface of your mouth and the back of your throat. Then you are trying to take a deep breath with your lips sealed around the mouthpiece - really restrictive! And the results are that you will not get the relief that you are seeking so you will either over use the medication or stop taking it completely. Remember, the medication is in the form of tiny droplets, breathing in slowly will carry those droplets as deep into the lung as possible. The BEST technique would be to ask your physician to order a "spacer" for the Albuterol. It almost completely negates improper technique!

As to the steroidal inhaler, the medication is in the form of a dry powder, so the technique for proper use is different. Seal your lips around the mouthpiece, activate the inhaler and simultaneously take in as fast a breath as possible. Hold that breath for 5 to 10 seconds and exhale. Rinse your mouth after use.
Having retired as a respiratory therapist after 42... (show quote)


As a point of reference: I use PROAIR (Albuterol) inhalation aerosol - I can seal my lips around the mouth-piece and still breath, as there is space around the container that lets air pass through while I am pulling in the aerosol. No need for a spacer.

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Mar 9, 2021 15:49:49   #
NJphotodoc Loc: Now in the First State
 
As a Family Medicine doc who worked in the US, Canada, and France, everything we've seen here speaks to the fact that our healthcare system is broken.
As was mentioned, the same medication made by the same manufacturer but in a different country costs a fraction of what it costs here. In addition, the price can vary greatly across different pharmacies and even if you buy it online or in a brick and mortar store of the same brand. And while some states allow and even require hospitals to post pricing for treatments, most do not and it is nearly impossible to find out your predicted costs prior to receiving care.
No, you are not going to ask what care will cost if it is an emergency, but elective surgery is the predominant kind of surgery and is viewed as a "profit center" along with lab and X-ray tests on the outpatient level. Also, you really should ask if everyone who is going to provide care (i.e. for surgery, does the anesthesiologist take your
insurance? You'd be surprised how many do not).
In the US, we pay nearly $10,000 per person for healthcare, the highest in the world. France is ranked No 1 and their annual cost is a little over $4000. And just to show where we rank (source WHO), the US is #37 between Costa Rica and Slovenia.

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Mar 9, 2021 15:54:15   #
02Nomad Loc: Catonsville, MD
 
robertjerl wrote:
Thanks for posting this. I have seen it before long ago and will admit that with the rescue inhaler I have fallen back to the sealed lips most of the time and have to correct from time to time. But I had a lot of years with the wrong method before I learned better. Habits are hard to break.

I have always done the steroid inhaler correctly. And of course the nebulizer is pretty much made to only do one way. Though I have heard of half face and full face masks that attach to a nebulizer.
Thanks for posting this. I have seen it before lo... (show quote)


If you use the nebulizer, whether with any type of mask, only breathe through your mouth. Your nose has 3 functions, to warm, filter and humidify. Any aerosol that is inhaled through your nose will be reduced by these functions. When breathing through your mouth, breathe in slowly until your lungs are filled. Hold that breath for 3 to 5 seconds and then exhale. Should you feel dizzy, lightheaded or have tingling in your fingertips, these are signs of hyperventilation. Before breathing back in, count to 5 to slow your breathing rate down. Since you are breathing deeper and using more of your lungs, you can slow your rate and still get the proper amount of air that you need.

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Mar 9, 2021 16:00:44   #
02Nomad Loc: Catonsville, MD
 
HOHIMER wrote:
As a point of reference: I use PROAIR (Albuterol) inhalation aerosol - I can seal my lips around the mouth-piece and still breath, as there is space around the container that lets air pass through while I am pulling in the aerosol. No need for a spacer.


Again, if you squirt first and then breathe in, you will not get the proper amount of medication. By the time that you breathe in, the aerosolized medication has already deposited where it will not give the proper effect. Try it this other way and see if you don't get better results.

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Mar 9, 2021 16:12:59   #
robertjerl Loc: Corona, California
 
02Nomad wrote:
If you use the nebulizer, whether with any type of mask, only breathe through your mouth. Your nose has 3 functions, to warm, filter and humidify. Any aerosol that is inhaled through your nose will be reduced by these functions. When breathing through your mouth, breathe in slowly until your lungs are filled. Hold that breath for 3 to 5 seconds and then exhale. Should you feel dizzy, lightheaded or have tingling in your fingertips, these are signs of hyperventilation. Before breathing back in, count to 5 to slow your breathing rate down. Since you are breathing deeper and using more of your lungs, you can slow your rate and still get the proper amount of air that you need.
If you use the nebulizer, whether with any type of... (show quote)


Thanks, due to getting stuffed up from allergies (if it grows or is thinking of growing I am probably at least a little allergic to it) I frequently breath through my mouth anyway. If I am in a blind close to birds for my photography I breath through my mouth on purpose, quieter because I can breathe slower and still fill my lungs - no whistles, wheezes etc.

And as to Covid-19 and masks. After a while the paper or cloth things get damp and I start thinking "water boarding". Well because of my allergies and asthma for over 40 years I have owned an industrial/lab grade 1/2 face respirator for projects around the house like painting and heavy cleaning in the back of closets and the garage. When Covid reared its head my old one was kind of ratty so the Wife told me to get a new one (she is a retired Surgical/OR Charge Nurse) so I got a decent one from 3M. Then I discovered they sold P100 filter packs for it so I got those. I could do without the hot pink/magenta color coding but it works. I can breathe much easier when wearing it. People give me funny looks on the rare occasions I get out but that is their problem. At Kaiser some of the doctors and nurses have even asked for the info on where I got it. All Kaiser supplies is the standard N95/surgical things except for a few special circumstances in the OR or Labs.

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Mar 9, 2021 16:14:33   #
HOHIMER
 
02Nomad wrote:
Again, if you squirt first and then breathe in, you will not get the proper amount of medication. By the time that you breathe in, the aerosolized medication has already deposited where it will not give the proper effect. Try it this other way and see if you don't get better results.


I always squirt mid-breath.

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Mar 9, 2021 18:28:01   #
John Hicks Loc: Sible Hedinham North Essex England
 
It must be hard if you live in the USA and require medicatuon, I have COPD and have to use a triple drug inhaler four times a day and it costs me nothing because of our NHS, also vivid innovations are also free.

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Mar 9, 2021 18:28:44   #
John Hicks Loc: Sible Hedinham North Essex England
 
It must be hard if you live in the USA and require medicatuon, I have COPD and have to use a triple drug inhaler four times a day and it costs me nothing because of our NHS, also covid innoccuations are also free.

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Mar 9, 2021 18:47:34   #
robertjerl Loc: Corona, California
 
John Hicks wrote:
It must be hard if you live in the USA and require medicatuon, I have COPD and have to use a triple drug inhaler four times a day and it costs me nothing because of our NHS, also covid innoccuations are also free.


Well it isn't hard for me but I did a few things along the way to be well off in retirement.
1. military service-Regular Army enlistment, not drafted=GI Bill for college (and of course the little matter of a 40% Veteran's disability from Agent Orange exposure)
2. worked in the retail food industry during college and the first several years I was teaching until I reached the level for a minimum pension with them.
3. College degree, teaching credential and a lot of units beyond adding up to 3 more degrees if I had bothered to do the paperwork and take just one more class in 3 fields.
4. Stayed in teaching for 35 years until I hit the top of the pension qualifications plus extra for the "longevity" bonus on my pension - only an advanced degree would get me more and I wasn't in the mood for a PhD.

So I have a top-of-the-line health plan (VA Health Care as a backup), one full pension, two partial pensions and Social Security. My wife is 9 years younger and hasn't put in for her pension or social security yet, another 2 years and she will be qualified for the max on each of those. She was, in order: a. also retail food, it is where we met b. Operating Room Technician c. RN then Surgical RN d. OR Charge Nurse for several years (think of it as the top NCO the surgeons depend on to run the OR for them)

We planned, we got education/qualifications, we stuck to it and now we are comfortable and a bit more.

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Mar 9, 2021 21:08:49   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
robertjerl wrote:
Well it isn't hard for me but I did a few things along the way to be well off in retirement.
1. military service-Regular Army enlistment, not drafted=GI Bill for college (and of course the little matter of a 40% Veteran's disability from Agent Orange exposure)
2. worked in the retail food industry during college and the first several years I was teaching until I reached the level for a minimum pension with them.
3. College degree, teaching credential and a lot of units beyond adding up to 3 more degrees if I had bothered to do the paperwork and take just one more class in 3 fields.
4. Stayed in teaching for 35 years until I hit the top of the pension qualifications plus extra for the "longevity" bonus on my pension - only an advanced degree would get me more and I wasn't in the mood for a PhD.

So I have a top-of-the-line health plan (VA Health Care as a backup), one full pension, two partial pensions and Social Security. My wife is 9 years younger and hasn't put in for her pension or social security yet, another 2 years and she will be qualified for the max on each of those. She was, in order: a. also retail food, it is where we met b. Operating Room Technician c. RN then Surgical RN d. OR Charge Nurse for several years (think of it as the top NCO the surgeons depend on to run the OR for them)

We planned, we got education/qualifications, we stuck to it and now we are comfortable and a bit more.
Well it isn't hard for me but I did a few things a... (show quote)


In short, you paid you dues. You worked your ass off, served your country, took care of your children, contributed to society, and did the right thing(s), and you deserve a comfortable retirement (and a rest).

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Mar 9, 2021 21:38:36   #
robertjerl Loc: Corona, California
 
TriX wrote:
In short, you paid you dues. You worked your ass off, served your country, took care of your children, contributed to society, and did the right thing(s), and you deserve a comfortable retirement (and a rest).


Yes, I believe I did. And I didn't mention the 3 years of weekend and summer Armed Alarm Response Security and 10 years weekends and summers working for a friend in his Police Equipment and Gun Shop.

Once I heard someone use the term "Double Dipper" when my wife mentioned my pensions and SS. She almost bit the guys head off "He earned every single one of those."

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Mar 9, 2021 22:06:21   #
Ol' Bill
 
Hello Bud,
I just checked the prices of the two drugs you mentioned on GoodRX.com..
Here's what I came up with:

Symbicort
Rite Aid. - The price after coupon is $204.48.
with free Coupon
https://www.goodrx.com/symbicort

Walgreens. - The price after coupon is $26.25.
with free Coupon
https://www.goodrx.com/albuterol-er

If it wasn't for GoodRX we couldn't make it either.. Thank goodness for small favors, huh?

Ol' Bill

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