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Feb 28, 2021 11:04:15   #
mallen1330 Loc: Chicago western suburbs
 
Rongnongno wrote:
... With a little less luck the album ends in an estate sale and those that did not make the cut, the greatest majority, in a literal bin disposed up in a field full of trash... Who wants a cracked, dried up book made of people no one knows?.

Wow! I thought I was feeling depressed because of the Covid lockdown. Now I look back on those days with nostalgia compared to how depressed I feel now. Have you been reading Camus?

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Feb 28, 2021 12:05:16   #
Rongnongno Loc: FL
 
mallen1330 wrote:
Wow! I thought I was feeling depressed because of the Covid lockdown. Now I look back on those days with nostalgia compared to how depressed I feel now. Have you been reading Camus?

I am originally french... Required reading.

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Feb 28, 2021 12:19:53   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
Thank you for describing the value you appreciate in your wedding photographs. You probably present the general view of this subject.

Although not a Catholic, I take note of the Church's recognition and identification of the three main events in our lives: birth, marriage, and death.

Obviously, wedding photographers document the joyous one of marriage. Enough said.
lowkick wrote:
We don't look at our wedding album often, but it contains pictures that we feel are beyond valuable to us. Photos of our parents, our grandparents, all our aunts and uncles and my sister, all passed now. A wedding album stirs up memories of the wedding, but also memories of other events and the history of the family. It's an historical album where our children, even though now grown, can see photos of family history. The album holds the last pictures of my mother in relatively good health - she died 6 months after the wedding. It's fun to watch our grandchildren look at their parents' wedding albums, connect with relatives they have heard about but never knew and experience the celebration of the love from which they came. I have no remembrance of what the wedding photographer charged for our wedding, but it was worth it then, and it's worth it now. I do recall the shocking amount our children's wedding photographer was, but he was terrific and, as shocked as I was at the going rates then, I would gladly pay for it all over again.
We don't look at our wedding album often, but it c... (show quote)

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Feb 28, 2021 13:07:40   #
James L.
 
So, with all due respect, would it to be safe to say that maybe you don't have a sentimental bone in your body ? Maybe bad wedding/marriage, weddings/marriages in the past ?





Rongnongno wrote:
If you think about it, wedding photography is a rip-off from beginning to end.

Folks are spending a large amount of money to 'create' memories' but really, what is left after a few months?

Very little, possibly an image or two on walls that will never be looked at again, a couple of albums that will gather dust until lost during a move.

In a few years the images will be yellow, desuet on some piece of furniture among other equally old and part of a scenery some call home.

Years later the album may be reopened one day by a kid who was snooping around and sees images of a wedding they do not relate to. “Is it you mom? Dad?” Then the album is placed back into a dark corner and forgotten again.

Nostalgia lasts only as long as someone remembers.

When reopened next, it might be when someone cleans out an attic and finds a trace of an event, does not know who is in the pictures, guesses about it for a few moments. The album is placed on a pile, 'keep' if the person wants to look at it again but probably will forget that too. With a little less luck the album ends in an estate sale and those that did not make the cut, the greatest majority, in a literal bin disposed up in a field full of trash... Who wants a cracked, dried up book made of people no one knows?

So thousands of $$$ to fill the dumpster, historical or real...

Those here who speak of the 'ethics' in pricing should stop and think about their 'commodity' offerings and realize that they are ripping up folks who need their revenues toward something more useful than spit in the wind.

Now, yes there is a market so why not profit from folk's gullibility? You must have a photographer because the Jones had one.

At the very least, now, be honest about it when you work, at least in your mind.
If you think about it, wedding photography is a ri... (show quote)

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Feb 28, 2021 14:16:01   #
E.L.. Shapiro Loc: Ottawa, Ontario Canada
 
Rongnongno wrote:
I am originally french... Required reading.


Here's one you might like- not too depressing.

La vie n’a pas de sens, mais vaut la peine d’être vécue à condition de reconnaître qu’elle n’a pas de sens.

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Feb 28, 2021 14:49:43   #
mallen1330 Loc: Chicago western suburbs
 
E.L.. Shapiro wrote:
Here's one you might like- not too depressing.

La vie n’a pas de sens, mais vaut la peine d’être vécue à condition de reconnaître qu’elle n’a pas de sens.


Ha! Exactly the quote that came to mind when I read the OP... I also thought of season 3 of "The Sinner" on Netflix -- that illustrates what happens when the main character puts nihilism and absurdism into actual practice.

(he does more than simply throw old wedding albums into the trash.)

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Feb 28, 2021 14:54:01   #
Rongnongno Loc: FL
 
mallen1330 wrote:
Ha! Exactly the quote that came to mind when I read the OP... I also thought of season 3 of "The Sinner" on Netflix -- that illustrates what happens when the main character puts nihilism and absurdism into actual practice.

(he does more than simply throw old wedding albums into the trash.)

Hold a minute here. I did not say you should trash anything. I am just pointing out the futility of event photography over time. I never said 'we' should stop doing that. What I am saying is that despite the amount of $$$ spent we sell wind and if we are honest we should recognize that.

For many reasons, neglect, divorce, accidents, whatever 99% of our production ends in the trash, sometime by design...

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Feb 28, 2021 15:01:02   #
E.L.. Shapiro Loc: Ottawa, Ontario Canada
 
James L. wrote:
So, with all due respect, would it to be safe to say that maybe you don't have a sentimental bone in your body ? Maybe bad wedding/marriage, weddings/marriages in the past ?


I have to apologize to Ron- He misconstrued my statement, in a previous post, in this paragraph as a personal attack:

"...And of course, this is gonna attract the usual entourage of MISOGAMISTS (marriage haters), disgrunteled or failed former wedding photographers, and an onslaught of people who never were involved in professional wedding photography, don't know what hell they are talking about but just like to inject nasty comments..."

Waht I meant by that is whenever there is a post, in the Main Section, about wedding photography, there is a chorus of disparaging responses about that industry, an onslaught of weddings horror stories about all kinds of chaos and disfunction at weddings, and folks chime in with "I will never do wedding photography- it's the pits, etc" or, "I used to do that but it was a nightmare"! There is usually at least one comment disparaging marriage as an institution as well.

So...I disagree with most of what he wrote but I would never assume anything negative about his personality, sentimentally, or his material status. That ain't fair game in this argument!

That the environment nowadays- folks can't disagree on certain points and debate without beating each other over their heads. It's wrong!

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Feb 28, 2021 15:09:59   #
E.L.. Shapiro Loc: Ottawa, Ontario Canada
 
mallen1330 wrote:
Ha! Exactly the quote that came to mind when I read the OP... I also thought of season 3 of "The Sinner" on Netflix -- that illustrates what happens when the main character puts nihilism and absurdism into actual practice.

(he does more than simply throw old wedding albums into the trash.)


I'll have to catch season 3 in the garage- my wife is not big on "murder flicks". If there are dead for in the dumpster, that's a definite no-no in the house!


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Feb 28, 2021 16:25:54   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
What process did you employ to arrive at your sense of "the futility of event photography over time"?

Where did you obtain your percentage?: "99% of our production ends in the trash."
Rongnongno wrote:
Hold a minute here. I did not say you should trash anything. I am just pointing out the futility of event photography over time. I never said 'we' should stop doing that. What I am saying is that despite the amount of $$$ spent we sell wind and if we are honest we should recognize that.

For many reasons, neglect, divorce, accidents, whatever 99% of our production ends in the trash, sometime by design...

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Mar 1, 2021 07:04:23   #
Pistnbroke Loc: UK
 
Over priced ..yes thats 5 cameras at $15000 + flash etc , Vehicle ,advertising insurance ,Photoshop,Zenfolio and Lightroom + abouit 24 hrs labour ....Yes of course I can do it for $250...... Idiots

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Mar 1, 2021 07:49:33   #
traderjohn Loc: New York City
 
Leitz wrote:
Rather than dumping it here in Main Photography Discussion, this may have made some sense if it had been posted in the Wedding section.


I hope this posting wasn't too traumatic for you.

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Mar 1, 2021 07:53:41   #
traderjohn Loc: New York City
 
E.L.. Shapiro wrote:
I'm not gonna continue arguing with you- it's a waste of both of our time. I am not here to try to change anyone's opinion or attitudes.

I just do not feel that I have wasted over 50 years of my life ripping folks off or considering my valued clients to be gullible spendthrifts. I know hundreds of hard-workg wedding and event photographers who would never consider taking unfair advantage of a client.

"Ephemeral"? Nah, I've been around for a long time and still have enough time going forward. Waht I should do is cut down on my "screen time" on this forum- it's too depressing and I don't get depressed easily. Maybe I should cut it out entirely but old bad habits die hard. But- I quit smoking 48 years ago. I went on a diet and lost 135 lbs, and work out 3 times a week. Maybe I can conjure up the willpower.

I am happily married- 53 years now. I am sorry that you suffered an unimaginable loss and glad that you eventually found happiness.

A far as the thread is concerned- I'll go away and leave to others to opine.

au revoir mon ami

I'm not gonna continue arguing with you- it's a wa... (show quote)


You did not stop commenting.

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Mar 1, 2021 08:07:06   #
steve_stoneblossom Loc: Rhode Island, USA
 
Rongnongno wrote:
If you think about it, wedding photography is a rip-off from beginning to end.

Folks are spending a large amount of money to 'create' memories' but really, what is left after a few months?

Very little, possibly an image or two on walls that will never be looked at again, a couple of albums that will gather dust until lost during a move.

In a few years the images will be yellow, desuet on some piece of furniture among other equally old and part of a scenery some call home.

Years later the album may be reopened one day by a kid who was snooping around and sees images of a wedding they do not relate to. “Is it you mom? Dad?” Then the album is placed back into a dark corner and forgotten again.

Nostalgia lasts only as long as someone remembers.

When reopened next, it might be when someone cleans out an attic and finds a trace of an event, does not know who is in the pictures, guesses about it for a few moments. The album is placed on a pile, 'keep' if the person wants to look at it again but probably will forget that too. With a little less luck the album ends in an estate sale and those that did not make the cut, the greatest majority, in a literal bin disposed up in a field full of trash... Who wants a cracked, dried up book made of people no one knows?

So thousands of $$$ to fill the dumpster, historical or real...

Those here who speak of the 'ethics' in pricing should stop and think about their 'commodity' offerings and realize that they are ripping up folks who need their revenues toward something more useful than spit in the wind.

Now, yes there is a market so why not profit from folk's gullibility? You must have a photographer because the Jones had one.

At the very least, now, be honest about it when you work, at least in your mind.
If you think about it, wedding photography is a ri... (show quote)


What an unbelievably cynical attitude, even for you.

Who needs landscape photography? Who needs birds in flight photography? Who needs fine art photography?

Why limit the question to photography?

Who needs sports cars?

Who needs super yachts?

$1000 handbags? $3000 suits?

Or 50MP cameras?

If someone desires something and they can afford it, why shouldn’t someone else provide it for them?

If someone doesn’t care what their photos look like, they can pass out disposable cameras, or ask guests to take shots with their phones.

Or perhaps you would rather that photography be forbidden altogether at weddings?

You’re entitled to your opinion. I just don’t see the point.

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Mar 1, 2021 08:12:11   #
steve_stoneblossom Loc: Rhode Island, USA
 
Chan Garrett wrote:
Some years back, My wife and I started our own wedding photography business in Atlanta, GA. The market was very good and very competitive.
We had a number of "high end" weddings and our customers expressed great satisfaction with our work.
Many times we heard stories from around the country of families who experienced fire or other disasters concerning their house or apartment where their first thought was to rush in and save their photographs, especially their wedding album.
Times may now have changed with the advent of cell phone cameras where now everyone is a photographer and photography has lost some of its value due to over saturation, but many still value "good" photography and the memories it records.
I suspect that the older one gets, the more the photographic memories are valued. My wife and I still keep a framed image from our wedding (62 years ago) on display in our bedroom.
Some years back, My wife and I started our own wed... (show quote)

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