Question for mirrorless camera (Page 3): So we now have a camera with a closed shutter when the camera is off the newly announced Sony A1 but don’t touch the curtain as it’s carbon...

Jeffcs Loc: Myrtle Beach South Carolina

So we now have a camera with a closed shutter when the camera is off the newly announced Sony A1 but don’t touch the curtain as it’s carbon fiber and suggest it’s the second most expensive repair to that camera only the sensor is more expensive

BebuLamar

CHG_CANON wrote:

It's hard to answer for all. My Sony a7II has a mechanical shutter that stays open, even when the camera is turned off. Remove the lens and there is the sensor, open to the world, not even a morning gown for modesty. If that was the mark II release, the same probably applied for the original a7 model.

"All MILCs have a mechanical shutter" seems like a bit of an overstatement, but I don't have others to say which don't (if applicable).

Not all mirrorless have mechanical shutter but as far as I know there is none with interchangeable lens that doesn't have a mechanical shutter. I heard something about Sigma but I can't verify. In fact it would be a great achievement if the mechanical shutter is no longer needed.

morkie1891

CHG_CANON wrote:

If you hear a voice within you say 'I still need a mirror,' then by all means go mirrorless, and that voice will be silenced.

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trinhqthuan Loc: gaithersburg

CHG_CANON wrote:

i "With an MILC camera's shutter always open... (show quote)

In the old time when we changed film, the shutter/ curtain was always closed. Why is it so difficult to have the shutter closed in mirrorless while changing lens until R5, R6?

olemikey Loc: 6 mile creek, Spacecoast Florida

P&S, SLR, DSLR, MILC....one can make good pics and one can make bad pics, and one can make a lot of MOR pics...in general the camera type does not matter much, the glass matters, and the skills, abilities, vision and desire of the photographer matter greatly. If one simply shoots in full auto, probably the newest/prettiest/slickest camera wins, no matter how it works..

cdayton

Longshadow wrote:

What about all the other voices?

I only listen to the one that tells me I need more British cars. I have enough cameras.

burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC

trinhqthuan wrote:

Is there a 'curtain' to cover/protect the sensor when a mirrorless camera has no lens on? The curtain function is to protect the sensor from dust while changing lens (like a DSLR never has its sensor exposed while changing lens).The curtain retreats naturally when lens is on .

Some models have curtains. Mine does not. My sensor has remained cleaner than those dSLRs I used from 2003-2012. There’s no FAN (mirror flopping around) to blow bits of deteriorating damper foam, lubricants, and metal shavings around between lens and sensor.

Dust? I can blow that off with a blower bulb, if the camera’s cleaner vibrator doesn’t knock it off. I’m shocked that with MORE frequent lens changes, I’ve only had to use my Sensor Swabs and Eclipse fluid ONCE since 2016!

Rab-Eye Loc: Indiana

MDI Mainer wrote:

And likewise if he can't recognize parody!

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gwilliams6

Sony A9II, Sony A7SIII and Sony A1 also allow you to select a setting where the shutter will close down over the sensor when the camera is turned off, thus keeping dust off the sensor.

In reality the sensor is covered with a glass layer, and is harder to scratch or damage. But the shutter curtain being down over the sensor is a more fragile piece.

Consumers wanted the shutter down over the sensor, but you have to be very careful not to poke that shutter blade which is very thin and lightweight for fast travel.

Cheers

rcarol

lesdmd wrote:

There is no curtain. The sensor will attract dust if left exposed. When changing lenses I hold camera body facing down; and move efficiently. I never leave a lens off for any extended period of time. I am not hesitant to do my own sensor cleaning as necessary.

This depends on the camera. I'm fairly sure that the Canon EOS R does have a curtain while the EOS RP does not.

bleirer

BebuLamar wrote:

Not all mirrorless have mechanical shutter but as far as I know there is none with interchangeable lens that doesn't have a mechanical shutter. I heard something about Sigma but I can't verify. In fact it would be a great achievement if the mechanical shutter is no longer needed.

The canon RP can't be set to full mechanical. The closest to full mechanical is electronic first curtain/mechanical second curtain.

SteveHmeyer Loc: Cincinnati OH USA

For my Sony A7Rii I use an STC CLIP FILTER

https://stcoptics.com/en/clip_filter/

ordered direct from the company. They are available for many other camera models

Ednsb Loc: Santa Barbara

While my RP isn’t as sophisticated as the R5 or R6 it does allow to initiate a sensor cleaning which does put a cover over the sensor. I have taken that process to a custom workflow so that i can select it then change lens. Definitely would not work if i was shooting action but for landscapes no problem

And boy there are a lot of snarky people on this thread.

joer Loc: Colorado/Illinois

burkphoto wrote:

Some models have curtains. Mine does not. My sensor has remained cleaner than those dSLRs I used from 2003-2012. There’s no FAN (mirror flopping around) to blow bits of deteriorating damper foam, lubricants, and metal shavings around between lens and sensor.

Dust? I can blow that off with a blower bulb, if the camera’s cleaner vibrator doesn’t knock it off. I’m shocked that with MORE frequent lens changes, I’ve only had to use my Sensor Swabs and Eclipse fluid ONCE since 2016!

ShelbyDave Loc: Lone Rock, WI

olemikey wrote:

P&S, SLR, DSLR, MILC....one can make good pics and one can make bad pics, and one can make a lot of MOR pics...in general the camera type does not matter much, the glass matters, and the skills, abilities, vision and desire of the photographer matter greatly. If one simply shoots in full auto, probably the newest/prettiest/slickest camera wins, no matter how it works..

I don't completely agree. My skill level hadn't changed from my Canon 50D to when I got the Sony A7iii, but the number of keepers went up. The newer camera has advantages that make it easier to get a large number of great photos. I do agree that if you don't know a thing or two about what will make a better image, having the latest greatest equipment probably won't help.