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Feb 21, 2021 17:52:26   #
Shutterbug1697 Loc: Northeast
 
dennis2146 wrote:
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Dennis

Modern natural gas appliances require electricity to operate,

Older gas stoves can be lit with a grill lighter or long wooden match, but not the newer models. It's a safety feature which is built into the newer models.

That's the main reason I haven't pushed the issue to get my stove replaced, I can still use the burners to heat water and cook meals during a power failure.

We went through a 4-5 day power outage after I moved to my current condo, so we not only were able to cook, but my boyfriend at the time blasted the burners on high to heat up the condo, then opened the slider to replace the CO with oxygen.

Of course that created another problem when the power came back on, because the heat sensor had been tripped. Yeah, we had a visit by the fire department because he did that.

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Feb 21, 2021 18:09:30   #
Shutterbug1697 Loc: Northeast
 
pfrancke wrote:
Yep, will fix the social security problem too. ...

trump already took a heavy chunk of Social Security recipients out with his FAILED response to the Coronavirus Pandemic!

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Feb 21, 2021 18:16:33   #
Shutterbug1697 Loc: Northeast
 
wilpharm wrote:
keep displaying your pitiful ignorance, scared frank, you almost as entertaining as watching it snow..

Recent reports have been repeating the warning from 10 years ago when a similar freeze hit Texas, and they failed to take any measures to weatherization the Texas power grid.

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/business/energy/article/Texas-grid-again-faces-scrutiny-over-cold-15955392.php

But it's worse, Texas was warned 30 years ago!

https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/local/investigates/30-years-of-warnings-to-winterize-texas-power-plants-yet-they-still-froze-will-austin-finally-require-it/287-20540908-dbce-4e17-90a3-19aa4f4f4690

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Feb 21, 2021 18:26:22   #
Shutterbug1697 Loc: Northeast
 
Steven Seward wrote:
Antarctica is seven times the size of Greenland and its ice mass is increasing.
https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/nasa-study-mass-gains-of-antarctic-ice-sheet-greater-than-losses

Sorry, but your article is WAY out of date. ( October 30, 2015)

https://news.mongabay.com/2020/10/antarctic-ice-sheet-is-primed-to-pass-irreversible-climate-thresholds-researchers/

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/east-antarctic-ice-sheet-more-vulnerable-to-melting-than-thought

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/sep/23/melting-antarctic-ice-will-raise-sea-level-by-25-metres-even-if-paris-climate-goals-are-met-study-finds

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/giant-iceberg-heading-toward-south-atlantic-island-breaks-n1252204#:~:text=An%20enormous%20iceberg%20that%20has,shelf%20in%20Antarctica%20in%202017.

https://www.livescience.com/a68a-worlds-largest-iceberg-breaking-up-south-georgia

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Feb 21, 2021 19:21:30   #
Shutterbug1697 Loc: Northeast
 
papakatz45 wrote:
I have lived in South Florida since 1958. I do a lot of inshore and offshore fishing. I can't speak for any other areas, but here the tides have not changed and the land that was exposed\covered by tides in 1958 has not changed.

Beach erosion is a serious problem along the northeast Atlantic coast. Several lighthouses have had to be moved to prevent their falling over onto the ocean.

https://www.nps.gov/caha/planyourvisit/chls.htm

https://www.tampabay.com/news/environment/2020/03/09/people-and-erosion-threaten-florida-lighthouse/

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/environment/article240927611.html

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/may/29/lighthouse-gay-head-marthas-vineyard-massachusetts-relocated-inland#comment-52992145

https://www.nslps.com/preservation/moving-lighthouse

Higher tides are putting streets under water in the Miami area, and they've recently begun to raise the road beds to keep them drivable during high tides.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/deepdive/disappearing-beaches-sea-level-rise-39427567

https://www.theatlantic.com/facebook-instant/article/277716/

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Feb 21, 2021 19:43:32   #
Shutterbug1697 Loc: Northeast
 
Harry0 wrote:
Yeah, umm, no.
You is bass ackward.
This is n example of un regulated Republicans in charge.
In order to "immunize" the state from safety and ethic regulations, they destroyed their grid.
It was divided up into separate corps fiefdoms as a "deregulation". Lotsa bonuses there!
Go watch some "real" news. This is being used as an international example how NOT to do capitolism!
Videos- Arkansas has lights, power, snow plows, stores, food- across the street it;s dead.
El Paso has a separate energy entity- they still have an "American" existence. Surrounded by darkness.
You can hear it on the wind: "Bail me out Joe!" "WE can;t live our life without them liberals!"
And Ted Cruz! Has he done ANY thing yet? i guess he's still waiting for his golf clubs.
Yeah, umm, no. br You is bass ackward. br This is... (show quote)

Cruz jumped his quarantine after returning from Mexico for a photo op today!

What a jerk!

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Feb 21, 2021 19:44:51   #
DukeTarHeel Loc: NC's "Research Triangle"
 
Shutterbug1697 wrote:
Cruz jumped his quarantine after returning from Mexico for a photo op today!

What a jerk!


just his latest example of being a jerk.

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Feb 21, 2021 19:48:56   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
Shutterbug1697 wrote:
Cruz jumped his quarantine after returning from Mexico for a photo op today!

What a jerk!


Perhaps you can explain all the Democrat hatred toward Senator Cruz for going to Mexico when Democrats did not say anything when Governor Newsom went out for an expensive dinner or when other high ranking Democrat politicians went out in big groups after telling their constituents not to do that. I forget the Democrat who went to another state but apparently all was acceptable to you then. I don’t recall you saying a word. We call that hypocrisy.

Dennis

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Feb 21, 2021 20:19:35   #
Steven Seward Loc: Cleveland, Ohio
 
Shutterbug1697 wrote:

Apparently you didn't see my other link to the Wikipedia page on The Antarctic Ice Sheet that currently reads:

"Satellite measurements by NASA indicate a still increasing sheet thickness above the continent, outweighing the losses at the edge. The reasons for this are not fully understood, but suggestions include the climatic effects on ocean and atmospheric circulation of the ozone hole, and/or cooler ocean surface temperatures as the warming deep waters melt the ice shelves."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antarctic_ice_sheet

If you want to dispute it by showing some source that can demonstrate that the ice is shrinking in Antarctica, I will be glad to read it. The link you posted, which is the same one that lady posted days ago, is a speculative article talking about "what happens if the temperature rises 2 degrees." And so far it has risen 6/10ths of one degree in 140 years.

All those links you posted about moving the Lighthouses give the reason as being erosion and tourists destroying the sands. Only one mentioned Climate Change in passing. The rise in Sea Level has been about seven inches in 100 years, not much concern to cause one to move his lighthouse. Same goes for your beach erosion links. The articles are saying that Atlantic Storms are what is causing the erosion, not rising seas. Also high tides are not caused by rising seas, they are caused by gravitational forces from the Moon in combination with oceans naturally sloshing around in its deep cratered terrain.

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Feb 21, 2021 20:38:49   #
Steven Seward Loc: Cleveland, Ohio
 
Shutterbug1697 wrote:
Cruz jumped his quarantine after returning from Mexico for a photo op today!

What a jerk!

I don't understand what Ted Cruz did to get people so bent out of shape. Can you explain it to me?

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Feb 21, 2021 21:01:13   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
Mark Twain may apply here: “Everybody talks about the weather, but nobody does anything about it.”
WNYShooter wrote:
https://principia-scientific.com/blizzard-exposes-the-perils-of-attempting-to-electrify-everything/

The massive blast of Siberia-like cold that is wreaking havoc across North America is proving that if we humans want to keep surviving frigid winters, we are going to have to keep burning natural gas — and lots of it — for decades to come.

That cold reality contradicts the “electrify everything” scenario that’s being promoted by climate change activists, politicians, and academics. They claim that to avert the possibility of catastrophic climate change, we must stop burning hydrocarbons and convert all of our transportation, residential, commercial, and industrial systems so that they are powered solely on electricity, with most of that juice coming, of course, from forests of wind turbines and oceans of solar panels.

But attempting to electrify everything would concentrate our energy risks on an electricity grid that is already breaking under the surge in demand caused by the crazy cold weather. Across America, countless people don’t have electricity. I’m one of them. Our power here in central Austin went out at about 3 am. I am writing this under a blanket, have multiple layers of clothes on, and am nervously watching my laptop’s battery indicator.

This blizzard proves that attempting to electrify everything would be the opposite of anti-fragile. Rather than make our networks and critical systems more resilient and less vulnerable to disruptions caused by extreme weather, bad actors, falling trees, or simple negligence, electrifying everything would concentrate our dependence on a single network, the electric grid, and in doing so make nearly every aspect of our society prone to catastrophic failure if — or rather, when — a widespread or extended blackout occurs.

This blizzard proves that we have not been taking our energy security seriously enough. The concept of energy security has many aspects. But the most fundamental one is that we all have enough reliable and affordable energy (of whatever type) so that we don’t freeze to death during cold spells like the one now wreaking havoc across the continent.

This blizzard proves that during extreme weather winter, solar panels and wind turbines are of little or no value to the electric grid.

This blizzard proves that our natural gas grid is part of our critical infrastructure and that we shut it down at our peril. The natural gas network is essential because it can deliver big surges in energy supplies during periods of peak demand. In January 2019, U.S. natural gas demand set a record of 145 billion cubic feet per day. That record will be smashed during this blizzard, and daily volumes will exceed 150 Bcf. That is an enormous amount of energy. In fact, on the coldest days of winter, the amount of energy delivered by the gas grid is roughly three times as great as the energy consumed during the hottest days of the summer.

During peak cold events like this one, the gas grid delivers about 80 Bcf/d to homes and businesses. In energy equivalent terms, that’s roughly 83 trillion Btu, or the energy output of about 1 terawatt of electric generation capacity for 24 hours. Put another way, to equal the 80 Bcf/d of gas delivered during cold snaps, the U.S. would need an electric grid as large as all existing generation in the country, which is currently about 1.2 terawatts.

Thanks to excellent geology, a century of gas production, and a fully developed transmission and distribution grid, the domestic natural gas sector can deliver surges of the fuel that are, in fact, lifesaving. That is due, in large part, to the fact that we can store vast amounts of gas and only tiny quantities of electricity. In short, our electric grid simply cannot deliver the massive amounts of energy needed during the winter to keep us from freezing to death. That means we need to keep burning natural gas. If you prefer to rely on batteries, be my guest.

It’s essential to note that the blizzard and blackouts that are paralyzing the country are occurring at roughly the same time that some of America’s most famous activists and politicians are saying we should quit using all hydrocarbons and dozens of cities across the country are imposing bans on the use of natural gas.

On January 22, Bill McKibben, the founder of 350.org and arguably America’s most famous environmentalist, published an article in the New Yorker in which he said if there is a “basic rule of thumb for dealing with the climate crisis, it would be: stop burning things” including natural gas. McKibben says we should shift our energy needs to solar and wind energy.

Six days later, on January 28, in his state of the city address, Mayor Bill de Blasio declared that New York City will “renounce fossil fuels fully” and “ban fossil fuel connections in the city by the end of this decade, literally ensuring that our only choice is renewable energy.”

As I showed in a report last year for the Foundation for Research on Equal Opportunity, dozens of communities in California have banned or restricted the use of natural gas. According to the Sierra Club, 42 California communities have now imposed bans. So has the city of Seattle. In Massachusetts, about a dozen towns have partnered with the Rocky Mountain Institute, which recently got a $10 million grant from the Bezos Earth Fund, to advocate for the right to ban the use of natural gas in homes and commercial buildings.

In addition to being bad for energy security, these bans are a form of regressive tax on the poor and the middle class because they compel consumers to use electricity, which costs four times more than natural gas on an energy equivalent basis. Despite these very cold facts, it is certain that the efforts to ban natural gas and electrify everything will continue.

I am pro-electricity and electrification. Over the past year, I’ve published a book (A Question of Power: Electricity and the Wealth of Nations) and co-produced a documentary (Juice: How Electricity Explains the World) that spotlights electricity and why we need many terawatts of new generation capacity to bring the 3 billion people in the world who are now living in energy poverty out of the dark and into the bright lights of modernity. But more than being pro-electricity, I am pro-human. The ongoing blizzard is proving our vulnerability to extreme weather events and it is showing that we can’t rely on electricity alone.

Events like the September 11 attacks, Superstorm Sandy, and the coronavirus proved that we need to must make our society more resilient to threats of all kinds. A robust natural gas grid helps our resilience. Electrifying everything will do the opposite.
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Feb 21, 2021 21:54:11   #
Shutterbug1697 Loc: Northeast
 
Steven Seward wrote:
I don't understand what Ted Cruz did to get people so bent out of shape. Can you explain it to me?

Are you really that out of touch with what has been going on in Texas for about a week now?

The majority of the Texas power grid failed due to the extreme cold temperatures.

Ted Cruz lied to his constituents about the power over at his house (he didn’t have any) but claimed that he did and that he had invited the neighbors kids over and they were raising all kinds of trouble running up and down his stairs playing.

The truth was revealed by his neighbors on a text string that Cruz had actually invited his neighbors down to Mexico during a power failure and travel ban. He didn't pack for just an overnight trip, he was wheeling a stuffed suitcase, with at least several days worth of clothes.

When Cruz was outed by some sharp eyed people, he turned tail and headed back home the next morning using the lame excuse that he was having second thoughts while we was sitting on the plane waiting to leave Texas.

When he was questioned why he chose to go to Mexico in the first place upon returning home he lied and threw his kids under the bus as scapegoats for the trip.

Then the icing on the cake today is that Cruz broke his 14 day quarantine to go hand out emergency supplies as a photo op.

Try keeping up with the news cycles, you might learn a thing or two.

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Feb 21, 2021 22:02:31   #
Steven Seward Loc: Cleveland, Ohio
 
Shutterbug1697 wrote:
Are you really that out of touch with what has been going on in Texas for about a week now?

The majority of the Texas power grid failed due to the extreme cold temperatures.

Ted Cruz lied to his constituents about the power over at his house (he didn’t have any) but claimed that he did and that he had invited the neighbors kids over and they were raising all kinds of trouble running up and down his stairs playing.

The truth was revealed by his neighbors on a text string that Cruz had actually invited his neighbors down to Mexico during a power failure and travel ban. He didn't pack for just an overnight trip, he was wheeling a stuffed suitcase, with at least several days worth of clothes.

When Cruz was outed by some sharp eyed people, he turned tail and headed back home the next morning using the lame excuse that he was having second thoughts while we was sitting on the plane waiting to leave Texas.

When he was questioned why he chose to go to Mexico in the first place upon returning home he lied and threw his kids under the bus as scapegoats for the trip.

Then the icing on the cake today is that Cruz broke his 14 day quarantine to go hand out emergency supplies as a photo op.

Try keeping up with the news cycles, you might learn a thing or two.
Are you really that out of touch with what has bee... (show quote)

I don't care much for "breaking news." Most of it is just trivial gossip. This story is beginning to confirm my view. Now you cause me more questions. What travel ban is there for going to Mexico? And why is it a bad thing to leave Texas when the power is out? And what is the advantage of lying that the power was on at his home if it was really out?

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Feb 21, 2021 22:04:15   #
JohnFrim Loc: Somewhere in the Great White North.
 
dennis2146 wrote:
Perhaps you can explain all the Democrat hatred toward Senator Cruz for going to Mexico when Democrats did not say anything when Governor Newsom went out for an expensive dinner or when other high ranking Democrat politicians went out in big groups after telling their constituents not to do that. I forget the Democrat who went to another state but apparently all was acceptable to you then. I don’t recall you saying a word. We call that hypocrisy.

Dennis


Dennis, Dennis... how long have you been playing in The Attic? It is the Republicans' job to say nasty things about Democrats doing bad stuff. Why do you expect Democrats to do your dirty work for you? Really!!!

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Feb 21, 2021 22:39:36   #
Shutterbug1697 Loc: Northeast
 
Steven Seward wrote:
I don't care much for "breaking news." Most of it is just trivial gossip. This story is beginning to confirm my view. Now you cause me more questions. What travel ban is there for going to Mexico? And why is it a bad thing to leave Texas when the power is out? And what is the advantage of lying that the power was on at his home if it was really out?

Cruz ran away from his constituents and the hardships they were experiencing.

The only travel restriction currently in place for returning from Mexico is a negative test within 72 hours of flying home.

Cruz didn't meet that requirement.

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