Tino wrote:
We are planning a trip to the Rockies starting in late May and am wondering if it would be worth it to add a new wide angle lens. I have a D7100 with a 18-55 lens. I wonder if it is worth purchasing a little bit wider lens. Specifically, Tokina 11-16mm f/2.8 AT-X 116 Pro DX Autofocus Lens. Would that lens be that much more beneficial?
You can have great results with zero investment by simply stitching shots taken with your existing
lens/lenses. Make sure you overlap 50~60% and use free software like m-soft ICE.
joecichjr
Loc: Chicago S. Suburbs, Illinois, USA
kymarto wrote:
I agree that some are quite overcooked. However it is not necessary to have closer foreground elements, although generally speaking you don't want to be photographing wide open flat vistas. It is true that there is an art to using an ultrawide and it is not for everybody. Here are more "landscape" photos at the very wide end. Yes, you have to have some sort of foreground to lead the eye, but you have to consider that you are going to be in the landscape, and as you point out, you can include some closer elements that open onto wider vistas to really get the feeling of depth, if that is what you are looking for. And it is also true that you might want to feature one strong element, but widen and exaggerate the perspective (like the Great Buddha at Kamakura or the old van caught in lava that I include). Have a look and see if I am making any sense. I feel that an ultrawide offers possibilites for creative composition unequalled by any other focal length.
I agree that some are quite overcooked. However it... (
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Wow
I am almost speechless
These beauties are utterly magnificent, spectacular
One downside of wide-angle is that the mountains in the distance may be visually diminished to resemble small pimples on the horizon. If your camera has a panorama sweep/panning setting , Use that with a longer lens instead of a wide angle to capture the grandeur of the mountains. I forget who's addressed this on you tube but their 200 mm 3:1 panoramas were breathtaking. (primarily due to the telephoto perspective being presented like it was a wide angle.) Another approach is stitching together a bunch of portrait formatted originals into a landscape formatted (3:1) is fun. almost the same giddy charge as seeing the image come up in the developer tray in the old days. much more satisfying to see an image that you MADE rather than one you just pressed the shutter button.
Extreme wide-angle lenses have serious stretching at the edges of the image -- this is due to the geometry of the shot, which attempts to portray the image on a flat surface. Producing a panorama stitched from narrower photos can almost eliminate that effect, producing a more satisfying image that covers the same (or more) scene. I do my landscape panoramas by turning the camera to portrait mode and use my 18-200VR2 lens at 18mm, using about 1/3 overlap. This almost always obtains enough vertical coverage and I can cover as much horizontal scene as I need to. I shoot hand-held, but many people prefer to use a tripod. In the past I used an after-market tool called Autostitch to make do my stitching, but recently I'm mostly been using Lightroom--it has a feature called Edge Fill which is pretty neat.
kymarto
Loc: Portland OR and Milan Italy
IDguy wrote:
Yes. And it easy to fix with Lightroom or Photoshop the distortion some of your images show. The buildings and trees can be made vertical.
The only issue with doing that in post is you have to leave space because the post processing distortion correction requires cropping.
BTW that is an advantage of cameras with built in distortion correction and EVF. What you see is what you get. My Z6 and Z50 have that.
I actually have no desire to correct the verticals, at least in most of the shots. And correcting the verticals results in images that are substantially less wide. For me one of the nice things about wides is the exaggerated perspective, though I know it is not to everyone's taste.
kymarto
Loc: Portland OR and Milan Italy
larryepage wrote:
Yes. And that's why they make the lenses. But you will note that generic, wide-view vistas are conspicuously missing. In the fourth example in the seet above, the clouds serve the function that a foreground object might in other images...it provides an area for the viewer to focus on. And also...the scale of the scene is not lost, as so often happens.
For generic wide-view vistas the OP has his 18-55, and indeed 18 is more than wide enough for such shots. One of the first disappointments most people experience using wide lenses for vistas is that the incredible sense of space that one gets sweeping the horizon in person in 3D gets absolutely lost in a flat, rectangular 2D image. You and others are completely right about the futility of trying to capture a flat vista with an ultrawide. That is much better left to stitched panoramas. My point is that a trip to the mountains usually means that you are in the mountains, and when you are close they are quite large. I would say that an UWA is more useful in the mountains than far away from them. I don't have any good sets with a UWA in mountains; the closest is a trip I took to Yosemite a few years ago. Not all of them, by any means, were shot with a UWA, but here are a few for which I am glad I had the lens. These are all shot at 8mm with a Sigma 8-16mm on crop setting on my at-the-time Nikon D800e, and none of them would have worked with an 18mm lens. These UWAs do not weigh a lot or take up a lot of room in the bag, and if one can afford them they are a useful addition to the kit. And we have not even begun to talk about what an UWA can do in city shooting and other situations.
kymarto, those are outstanding photos!
Some folks may not be aware that it is possible to make vertical panoramas, too. And panoramas using 2 or more rows of photos. This one was 13 shots in 2 rows:
Celebrity Theater by
David Casteel, on Flickr
and this one was 2 shots one above the other:
Palace composite.jpg by
David Casteel, on Flickr
[quote=kymarto].
>I find a wide angle absolutely essential in landscape photography.
Must be why I don't own one, I prefer to shoot discrete objects. I'm a field trialer so I shoot a lot of dogs, but not landscapes with dogs in them. :-) Harry PS My widest lens is an 18-55 which I never use. It lives in a drawer in my desk, came years ago with a camera iirc - I think a 40D which again I never use since I got a 5D.
I do have a 35mm lens on the 5D. I alternate it with a 50 as a normal lens. And I never sell equipment just like I never sell dogs. I may give something away but I would never sell a friend! Not a girlfriend, not a best friend, not a camera or a dog. I've given both cameras and dogs away though, to young people just starting.
Well done! Some of these shots are 'other worldly' and draw you right in!
Rich color, clear, bright and detailed.
Fun to see!
Thank you for sharing!
If you are buying a wide angle to get more of the landscape you could be very disappointed in your images. Extreme wide angles require care to use them since they expand the foreground while the background recedes. Coming close to the subject is very important.
There are many wide angle lenses in the market. I use the 12-24 f4 AF-S Nikon lens and I am very satisfied with the results I get with it when using my D7000.
My recommendation: learn about using wide angles and then rent one to see if that type of photography is good enough for you. As has already been mentioned the 18 mm side of your 18-55 can yield some nice images.
kymarto wrote:
For generic wide-view vistas the OP has his 18-55, and indeed 18 is more than wide enough for such shots. One of the first disappointments most people experience using wide lenses for vistas is that the incredible sense of space that one gets sweeping the horizon in person in 3D gets absolutely lost in a flat, rectangular 2D image. You and others are completely right about the futility of trying to capture a flat vista with an ultrawide. That is much better left to stitched panoramas. My point is that a trip to the mountains usually means that you are in the mountains, and when you are close they are quite large. I would say that an UWA is more useful in the mountains than far away from them. I don't have any good sets with a UWA in mountains; the closest is a trip I took to Yosemite a few years ago. Not all of them, by any means, were shot with a UWA, but here are a few for which I am glad I had the lens. These are all shot at 8mm with a Sigma 8-16mm on crop setting on my at-the-time Nikon D800e, and none of them would have worked with an 18mm lens. These UWAs do not weigh a lot or take up a lot of room in the bag, and if one can afford them they are a useful addition to the kit. And we have not even begun to talk about what an UWA can do in city shooting and other situations.
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Your explanation makes so much sense.
Coupled with your beautiful examples, you just saved me a bunch of $$$$.
Smile,
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