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Feb 12, 2021 13:16:06   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
The easiest way to make money as a photographer is to sell your equipment.


The more profitable way is to sell someone else's equipment, without them knowing it!

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Feb 12, 2021 13:29:28   #
cjc2 Loc: Hellertown PA
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
The easiest way to make money as a photographer is to sell your equipment.


Well said!

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Feb 13, 2021 08:55:36   #
chrisg-optical Loc: New York, NY
 
joer wrote:
That's good but are their Z cameras equal to Canon and Sony? Even long time Nikon fanboy Ken Wheeler doesn't think so.


No doubt Nikon is and has been in financial trouble. They were late to the mirrorless game and it shows - they are about 2 generations behind Sony and a bit behind Canon - this is not to say they cannot catch up with the next knockout products which I believe 2021-22 will bring in the Z line especially. Ken is looking at the current crop and he is right but as most financial experts will tell you past performance (good or bad) is no indication of future performance. In other words times and circumstances change constantly. He keeps harping about being right about Olympus but they are in a totally different niche market. 2021-22 will be a key pivotal point for Nikon the difference between turning out like Olympus or a stellar Nikon recovery. Nikon is not as diversified as Canon and Sony are so they can ill afford any dumb marketing or technical blunders. All of the camera makers were hurt a bit by the loss of mass market appeal thanks to the smartphone.

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Feb 13, 2021 09:07:17   #
chrisg-optical Loc: New York, NY
 
joer wrote:
The sound of the shutter panicked birds close up. It annoyed me so much is was akin to Poe's Tell Tale Hart. In addition I had to send it back under warranty for adjustment.

I enjoyed the D500.


The future is totally electronic shutters for absolutely quiet photography (a boon for bird, wildlife, courtroom, and golf photography to name a few uses). Mechanical shutters will eventually go the way of the mirror. We're not quite there yet but getting closer. Eliminating any banding effect is the major challenge.

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Feb 13, 2021 09:25:49   #
BurghByrd Loc: Pittsburgh
 
jeffhacker wrote:
--- I think it is a matter of "some people like Fords, some people like Chevy's" - --- I personally think the Nikon Mirrorless cameras are just fine, and their lenses are top-of-the-line and among the best in class.



Exactly right! Except the Dodge is better-----

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Feb 13, 2021 13:12:23   #
chasgroh Loc: Buena Park, CA
 
larryepage wrote:
Here's the deal. Nikon is rapidly moving into other markets. They announced a couple of years ago that they would be getting out of the business of making entry-level cameras. I personally believe that was a good choice for them, because there have been huge shortcomings with those models for quite a while, and they do not naturally encourage or lead those who purchase them to move to the much better upper-tier models.

As I have written in other posts, Nikon is rapidly moving into other markets where they can build on their photographic and optics expertise. None of these markets are likely to be of interest to much of anyone here. They involve remote/robotic photography, industrial and entertainment video production, and other very high-end markets, at least the ones that I have received direct communication from Nikon about. These will, once accepted in their respective industries, generate much higher revenue and be much more profitable on that revenue. And they will do it without all of the foibles involved with being in the consumer electronics business and having to deal with a bunch of people like us.

So no...Nikon is not going away. They are just going down a new path that doesn't involve us nearly as much. As has been stated, they will do just fine. They just won't have to deal with our fickle "loyalty" any more for their success.

It will be interesting to see what long-term choices they make around their higher end photographic equipment, like the D850 and its successors and the D500 and its successors and the D6 and its successors. I suspect these may be the survivors of the DSLR technology. As far as mirrorless cameras, I would expect the Z7 II, something like a Z9 (or maybe a completely different naming family), and a Z5 of some sort to survive. Even though it's not really an entry-level camera, the Z50 does not fit with Nikon's statement that they will not produce entry-level cameras. I would expect all (or at least most) of the point & shoots and bridge cameras to be discontinued as well.

The bigger question for everyone here to be worried about, and I think this is a truly legitimate worry, is what is eventually going to happen to NikonUSA and their two repair facilities. Since NikonUSA has already killed their network of independent repair stations, these guys are going to hold the key to our future at successfully being able to keep our equipment working and in good order. Are they going to be sustainable without all the repairs of equipment owned by new and inexperienced folks who haven't yet learned how to properly care for it? If not, who exists that can handle the volume of ongoing repairs, and do it correctly, reliably, and in a timely fashion?

A big part of the Japanese business culture is the willingness to make difficult decisions without emotional bias. If you stop and think, you have seen it over and over again. The Japanese tableware companies are among the worst, discontinuing popular china and pottery patterns without warning and without emotion. Same with two-way radio companies. Same with countless other market categories that you can think of.

So my suggestion is to worry less about Nikon as a company and more about what you might be able to do to support them and keep them around to support you. Quit bashing. It's not a good look for you, and it is certainly not helping you or anyone else in any real way.
Here's the deal. Nikon is rapidly moving into oth... (show quote)


I can tell you haven't shot with a Z50. It ain't no "entry level" camera...not by a longshot.

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Feb 13, 2021 16:57:30   #
larryepage Loc: North Texas area
 
chasgroh wrote:
I can tell you haven't shot with a Z50. It ain't no "entry level" camera...not by a longshot.


You are correct on all counts. I have only looked at the Z7 (in detail) and the Z6 (to a lesser extent) some time ago. My statement was that the Z50 is certainly not priced as an entry-level camera, but many folks speak of it as if it is one. But my understanding from reading here (which is really as far as I'm currently willing to go with it), is that it lacks a number of features that are considered hallmarks of mirrorless cameras...like IBIS, for instance.

Again...there is no reason that we should expect any new entry-level cameras from Nikon. Somewhat confusing is that NikonUSA flags it as an "Entry Level" camera on their site, but at a price of $849, I have to say no to that.

Again...I've not looked at a Z50 and have no immediate motivation to do so. And it may very well be a great camera. But for $849, it is going to be a pretty hard sell to use it to draw anyone away from their cell phone, I think. So the trick is going to to be what Nikon can do to bring in customers who have started with other camera brands, because their own entry level camera models have not served well in this regard either. I am personally hoping that they will settle down a little and reduce the hype and just let folks find them. I know from watching people using other brands struggle to get results when doing group classes that Nikon's designs and implementation provide significant benefits with some types of photography. We'll have to see what they can do as a company to communicate that better going forward.

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Feb 14, 2021 14:43:21   #
Cwilson341 Loc: Central Florida
 
Bill_de wrote:
"Nikon’s stock price went up almost 50% since January 1st and aprox. 10% up since Nikon announced their financial results on February 4th."

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Being a Nikon fan, I'm always glad to hear positive news!

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