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Feb 13, 2021 06:15:00   #
daldds Loc: NYC
 
Ever think of learning how to merge photos?

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Feb 13, 2021 06:19:54   #
Haydon
 
You could always use your existing lens with a tripod and stitch several frames in post.

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Feb 13, 2021 07:02:53   #
jims203 Loc: Connecticut
 
I have the same camera and Tokina lens. It is very sharp and really takes in the view. I was surprised at the sharpness.

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Feb 13, 2021 07:15:16   #
JRiepe Loc: Southern Illinois
 
I have the Tokina 11-16 and I like the wide angle for certain but not every landscape shot. As CO said this particular lens can produce chromatic abberation around dark subjects with a lighter background. In Colorado you may not need the wider angle but in southern Illinois when I'm hiking yards away from limestone bluffs the wide angle comes in very handy. You may buy one and rarely use it or you may love it. I, personally, will always have one.

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Feb 13, 2021 07:23:34   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
larryepage wrote:
These discussions are always interesting. What's also interesting, though, is to do a quick search of the literally hundreds if not thousands of barely used ultrawide lenses. Tons of folks think they need one until they get it and find out that they really don't.

I have a 14-24mm f/2.8 zoom that I bought three years ago for night sky photography. I still use it for that and have also learned a couple of other things to do with it, but not landscapes. Things just get too small and too far away to be interesting, even when used with a D850, which has a lot of capability to resolve small details.

The suggestion above to rent an ultrawide first is a good one. If doing that just doesn't work for you, I'd suggest buying something economical like the Nikkor 10-20mm DX. It's not particularly fast, but it is a pretty neat $300 or so lens that will let you investigate what you want to do with it and make a more permanent choice later. If you don't end up using it, you aren't out a ton of cash.

Ultrawide photography is more than just sticking a short focal length lens on your camera. The difference between 18mm and 10mm on your camera is very significant. It introduces a whole array of challenges that you will need to learn to solve in order to get good results. It can be fun, but it's also quite a bit of work.

Have fun deciding, though. And let us know what you decide.
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Couldn't agree more!

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Feb 13, 2021 07:26:35   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
Tino wrote:
We are planning a trip to the Rockies starting in late May and am wondering if it would be worth it to add a new wide angle lens. I have a D7100 with a 18-55 lens. I wonder if it is worth purchasing a little bit wider lens. Specifically, Tokina 11-16mm f/2.8 AT-X 116 Pro DX Autofocus Lens. Would that lens be that much more beneficial?


You may be disappointed down the road. There are aspects that you will see later that are masked by the novelty of a huge angle of view. I would rent and not buy one as others have suggested. Or buy used, so that you won't take such a hit when you sell it later.

There is the "honeymoon factor" that happens after purchase - one can't seem to get enough of the ultra wide point of view. For a bunch of weeks one leaves the lens on the camera and shoots everything with it - exploring a novel and very different perspective. Then the honeymoon is over, almost as quickly as it appears. The ultra wide perspective together with the extension distortion, volume anamorphosis, barrel distortion, CA, flare (in some cases), and on smaller sensor cameras (<full frame), distant details get "mushed" together, so a stand of trees looks fake, as if the leaves were painted with a broad brush. At more or less normal viewing distances one might not notice, but up close it is hard to ignore.

I'm not saying that a 10mm lens on a cropped sensor camera or a 14mm lens on a full frame camera is automatically a bad thing. I've used both. They can lend an interesting point of view where there is sky or interesting foreground elements involved. But to keep verticals vertical, one must keep the camera level. If you tilt the camera up to minimize foreground for a more interesting composition, or to capture more sky, then verticals begin to converge - which is referred to as keystoning.

There are only two solutions to this and both involve loss of pixels and or image width. First one can correct this "keystone" effect by applying adjustments in post processing. Doing so involves expanding the top of an image, which often ends up reducing height and overall horizontal angle of view. The other solution involves keeping the camera level and cropping the top and/or bottom of the image for compositional considerations.

All too often, at least at first, the old adage that when the only tool in the toolbox is a hammer the tendency is to treat everything like a nail. Maslow and other behaviorists describe this cognitive bias as "the law of the instrument" - an "over-reliance on a familiar", or in this case a new, tool. Ultra-wide lenses are actually highly specialized tools, and only appropriate in a handful of situations.

If standing on a roadside viewpoint or a ledge trying to take a picture of a mountain range, the last tool I would reach for would be an ultra-wide lens.

It is commonplace among experienced landscape photographers using digital cameras to go in the opposite direction - to use a longer lens and stitch a panorama. This is a good article that shows how to get that "ultra wide" view without an ultra wide lens. Pretty much every "unique" and sometimes undesirable characteristic of wide and very wide angle lenses is eliminated. It shows that even a tripod is not necessary to do panorama shooting - all that is necessary is to ensure that you have as many images you need to capture the scene, overlapping at least 1/3 of the image next to it. I generally use 1/2.

https://petapixel.com/2016/10/27/stitching-panorama-forget-wide-angle-lens-home/

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Feb 13, 2021 07:32:46   #
Spirit Vision Photography Loc: Behind a Camera.
 
Tino wrote:
We are planning a trip to the Rockies starting in late May and am wondering if it would be worth it to add a new wide angle lens. I have a D7100 with a 18-55 lens. I wonder if it is worth purchasing a little bit wider lens. Specifically, Tokina 11-16mm f/2.8 AT-X 116 Pro DX Autofocus Lens. Would that lens be that much more beneficial?


11 is quite a bit wider than 18. I think you would find it very useful.

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Feb 13, 2021 07:48:40   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
Tino wrote:
We are planning a trip to the Rockies starting in late May and am wondering if it would be worth it to add a new wide angle lens. I have a D7100 with a 18-55 lens. I wonder if it is worth purchasing a little bit wider lens. Specifically, Tokina 11-16mm f/2.8 AT-X 116 Pro DX Autofocus Lens. Would that lens be that much more beneficial?


I would think your 18-55, with a field of view of 27-82 mm should fit the bill for your trip to the Rockies.

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Feb 13, 2021 07:56:24   #
JoeC7100 Loc: Rhode Island
 
Hello Tino:

Certainly I cannot speak with as much technical knowledge or experience as others on this site I consider myself a weekend hack with a love for photography toys!

I have the same setup. The Tokina takes an excellent picture but to be honest I do not find myself reaching for it all that often. What else do you have in your bag. Perhaps something with a bit more reach to pull in some wildlife or other interesting shots that the wider angle would lose. My advice would be to rent that lens and perhaps a longer one and play with them for a week and see which one you enjoy more. Enjoy the trip

Good Luck - Joe

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Feb 13, 2021 08:23:05   #
edwdickinson Loc: Ardmore PA
 
Tino wrote:
We are planning a trip to the Rockies starting in late May and am wondering if it would be worth it to add a new wide angle lens. I have a D7100 with a 18-55 lens. I wonder if it is worth purchasing a little bit wider lens. Specifically, Tokina 11-16mm f/2.8 AT-X 116 Pro DX Autofocus Lens. Would that lens be that much more beneficial?


Rent one if it is not something you are going to continue to use. I usually rent from Lensrentals.

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Feb 13, 2021 08:24:23   #
jaymatt Loc: Alexandria, Indiana
 
I doubt it. The only travel situation where I wished I had a wider lens was at Horseshoe Bend, and I still got good shots with the 18-55.

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Feb 13, 2021 08:26:32   #
cameraf4 Loc: Delaware
 
No simple answers here, Tino. Don't know where you live and how it compares to the SWEEPING vistas of the Rockies. My first trip out west my widest lens was 28mm FF (compares to your 18mm on your Nikon). Got some shots I liked but Nothing here on the East Coast could prepare me for what I found out west. As soon as I got back home I bought wider lenses. So it really depends on what you like in your landscapes. For example:
This was at 28mm --- https://static.uglyhedgehog.com/upload/2021/1/27/828744-scope_peak_death_valley_np.jpg
These were at wider MMs ---
https://static.uglyhedgehog.com/upload/2021/1/27/829368-sunset_bryce_canyon_np.jpg
https://static.uglyhedgehog.com/upload/2021/1/27/826145-yellow_mounds_badlands_np.jpg
So, what's your pleasure?

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Feb 13, 2021 08:28:22   #
Lagoonguy Loc: New Smyrna Beach, FL
 
My photography is mainly used for travel and I had a Tokina 12-28 f/4 which was used on D7000 & D7100 and it was a nice little lens but lacked stabilization and f/4 was not always fast enough for interiors, at least for me. I now have a Nikon 16-35 f/4 VR that I use with a D750 occasionally for non travel shots. As others have said I don’t use it much but it really was a treat when used vertically for the narrow alleys and canals in Venice. I now mainly use M4/3 for travel now but I still have an 8-18 f/2.8-4 (16-36 equiv) in my messenger bag for such occasions. My standard lens for 90% of photography is a 24-120 f2.8-4 equiv. I could make that work for most any event except night scenes or very dark interiors in which case I use a 32 mm equiv f/1.4 lens. You probably don’t “need” a wide angle lens but if you don’t mind toting it for just in case scenarios or the additional costs it is nice to have. Good luck.

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Feb 13, 2021 08:33:43   #
DavidM Loc: New Orleans, LA
 
Tino wrote:
We are planning a trip to the Rockies starting in late May and am wondering if it would be worth it to add a new wide angle lens. I have a D7100 with a 18-55 lens. I wonder if it is worth purchasing a little bit wider lens. Specifically, Tokina 11-16mm f/2.8 AT-X 116 Pro DX Autofocus Lens. Would that lens be that much more beneficial?


For landscapes ultra-wide lenses will display your backgrounds way to far away. They are designed for getting tight spaces into the picture. My opinion is to take panoramas in order to display vast landscapes. One article which really helped me to better use ultra-wide lenses is below. You should really get close to your subject for impact.

https://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/how-to-use-ultra-wide-lenses.htm

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Feb 13, 2021 08:58:37   #
DavidM Loc: New Orleans, LA
 
DavidM wrote:
For landscapes ultra-wide lenses will display your backgrounds way to far away. They are designed for getting tight spaces into the picture. My opinion is to take panoramas in order to display vast landscapes. One article which really helped me to better use ultra-wide lenses is below. You should really get close to your subject for impact.

https://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/how-to-use-ultra-wide-lenses.htm




here's a video on creating a large pano.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dBSLPixiU4

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