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Feb 1, 2021 10:30:37   #
JeffDavidson Loc: Originally Detroit Now Los Angeles
 
Works very well then you underexpose a stop to keep the background from getting out of control. Steve at Backcountry taught me that.[/quote] I think that you have it backwards.

With a light background covering the majority of the image, the sky will be exposed for a neutral grey. The dark subject will be even darker especially with a negative exposure value.

Majority of image light and subject dark, go plus on the exposure value.
Majority of image dark subject light, background go negative on the exposure value.

I would prefer exposing for my subject and NOT the background.

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Feb 1, 2021 10:39:27   #
nikonbrain Loc: Crystal River Florida
 
47greyfox wrote:
I went to a local lake this morning and spotted an eagle. I must've take 50 shots with a Sigma 150-600 C on a Canon 7d2. The lens was barrel mounted on a tripod. Every shot is soft. This one is typical.... Not cropped, saved SOOC. DPP shows the focus box smack on his head, maybe a little low, but definitely includes the eyes..... I DID forget to turn off IS on the lens. Could that have contributed to the softness. The sun, which I had little control over is to the left. Any thoughts would be appreciated.
I went to a local lake this morning and spotted an... (show quote)


You are in the same situation most of us find ourselves in . A want to get sharp images at a greater than normal distance not being able to get closer and not deep enough pockets to buy a prime . I AM there now . I have a D810 Nikon and using a 200-500mm f5.6 E VR I just sent back a New TC 1.4E III because the combo is soft at these type of distantances whereas the Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 500mm f/5.6E PF ED VR with the same 1.4 Tc could get the Job done. The other major problem is exposure and the lighting you are faced with most good images require great exposure combinations . In this instance You are faced with a basically a back lit eagle or at least cross lit throwing the Eagle into shadow a tough situation for most any Camera lens combination . My way out is a D500 crop sensor body with the same lens and still get My 750 mm and pick closer targets . The only other is Nikon Ai-s Nikkor 600mm f/4 ED MF Lens on Ebay a manual focus lens but great optics for $1900.00 and rely on a tripod and high ISO 1/2000 sec shots on still shots or track and get 1 or 2 good shots BIF. They did it before auto focus cameras . You did fine for what you are faced with ..

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Feb 1, 2021 10:43:20   #
Toby
 
Bobspez wrote:
A little cropping and post processing produces a decent image at that range.


You have done an excellent job on this photo Bob. I have many that have the same problem no matter what I do. Would you mind listing what you did in post to improve this one? Thanks in advance. Toby

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Feb 1, 2021 10:47:39   #
Juy Loc: Delaware
 
bruswen wrote:
This is an article about long lens photography by Moose Peterson. It covers all aspects of technique for shooting with long lens from a tripod. I found it useful in improving my own technique.

https://www.outdoorphotographer.com/tips-techniques/wildlife-techniques/long-lens-techniques/


Good read good info. I have found very similar conclusions

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Feb 1, 2021 10:55:04   #
bleirer
 
It might be possible the af targeted that branch rather than the eye. But shouldn't make a huge difference at that distance. I notice on my camera the focus clicks in just at the outer edge of the focus area box rather than the middle. So hard at that distance. If you moved the camera if time permits to so the focus point starts from the uncluttered sky so it never encounters a branch and the first thing it hits is the birds head, maybe a slight help. Or if time confirm focus manually if you have peaking or magnification. Otherwise, what do you expect from being so far away? Its a good shot.

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Feb 1, 2021 11:33:06   #
Bobspez Loc: Southern NJ, USA
 
Toby wrote:
You have done an excellent job on this photo Bob. I have many that have the same problem no matter what I do. Would you mind listing what you did in post to improve this one? Thanks in advance. Toby
Thank you. Went into Photoshop. Cropped the photo and viewed it at 100% resolution. Adjusted the shadows and highlights sliders. Adjusted the Brightness/Contrast sliders. Added a little sharpening with the unsharp mask sliders. Took about 5 minutes.

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Feb 1, 2021 12:22:22   #
SalvageDiver Loc: Huntington Beach CA
 
47greyfox wrote:
I went to a local lake this morning and spotted an eagle. I must've take 50 shots with a Sigma 150-600 C on a Canon 7d2. The lens was barrel mounted on a tripod. Every shot is soft. This one is typical.... Not cropped, saved SOOC. DPP shows the focus box smack on his head, maybe a little low, but definitely includes the eyes..... I DID forget to turn off IS on the lens. Could that have contributed to the softness. The sun, which I had little control over is to the left. Any thoughts would be appreciated.
I went to a local lake this morning and spotted an... (show quote)


With a little TLC, there's a lot of detail that can be teased out of this image. I also agree that the raw would have been better to work with, but the jpg worked well also. In PS, cropped to the eagle then just applied a little NR and sharpening, followed up by a little fringe removal to remove the sharpening artifacts. I'm sure others could do even better.

Best comparison can be seen in the downloads.

Hope this helps show what's possible.

Original
Original...
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Processed
Processed...
(Download)

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Feb 1, 2021 12:26:27   #
frankraney Loc: Clovis, Ca.
 
47greyfox wrote:
I went to a local lake this morning and spotted an eagle. I must've take 50 shots with a Sigma 150-600 C on a Canon 7d2. The lens was barrel mounted on a tripod. Every shot is soft. This one is typical.... Not cropped, saved SOOC. DPP shows the focus box smack on his head, maybe a little low, but definitely includes the eyes..... I DID forget to turn off IS on the lens. Could that have contributed to the softness. The sun, which I had little control over is to the left. Any thoughts would be appreciated.
I went to a local lake this morning and spotted an... (show quote)


I think the evaluative metering is part of the problem. The bird and tree, which are dark, are underexposed. With a sitting bird against the sky, I think spot metering would be better. A little faster shutter speed, and maybe f8 in this case. You were already in auto iso. The photo exposed mostly for the sky. Or you could have added some EC.

It's really not bad your the settings.

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Feb 1, 2021 12:30:27   #
russraman Loc: New York City
 
I would have been proud to have gotten this shot. Nice job.



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Feb 1, 2021 12:32:04   #
JFCoupe Loc: Kent, Washington
 
One other thought would be to work on the 'shadows on the front of the eagle to lighten the area and you may be happier with the results. I also looked at it in download and zoomed in as well. I think for the distance your image is pretty darn good.

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Feb 1, 2021 12:36:34   #
williejoha
 
Recently I did some testing with the Ef 300 f2.8 coupled with the Canon TC 2. The sweet spot for me at this combo is at F 8-11 according to the results. What surprised me the most with all the testing is how very sensitive 600 mm is to even the slightest movement. I use a very sturdy tripod for all my wildlife shots. So I would conclude that your shot is probably the best you can expect. Go and try some shots at a static setup and see if you can improve the results. IMHO
WJH

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Feb 1, 2021 13:13:53   #
jeep_daddy Loc: Prescott AZ
 
Drbobcameraguy wrote:
I use spot metering when the subject may appear as a silhouette. Works very well then you underexpose a stop to keep the backround from getting out of control. Steve at backcountry taught me that.


The OP used it here and it still produced an underexposed image. I find that it's much better to use evaluative metering and just push the exposure with EC. One little thumb dial and I can fix the exposure. I know my camera really well and know what to put the EC at 95% of the time for the perfect exposure. Changing form matrix (sorry, I meant evaluative) metering, to spot and back is way too many buttons to press.

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Feb 1, 2021 13:19:52   #
bleirer
 
jeep_daddy wrote:
The OP used it here and it still produced an underexposed image. I find that it's much better to use evaluative metering and just push the exposure with EC. One little thumb dial and I can fix the exposure. I know my camera really well and know what to put the EC at 95% of the time for the perfect exposure. Changing form matrix (sorry, I meant evaluative) metering, to spot and back is way too many buttons to press.


Plus at that focal length the 'spot' is going to include a lot of the background anyway.

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Feb 1, 2021 13:49:56   #
1FTR Loc: Pacific Northwest - Portland area
 
Nice... without a lot of teasing

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Feb 1, 2021 14:27:30   #
HiFromSusan
 
47greyfox wrote:
I'd only be guessing..... at least 100 yds? I was constrained by a conservation fence.


Federal regulations regarding barriers for nesting eagles require a 330' if you can see the birds, double that if the birds can see you. So you were about 100 yards away at the minimum, more likely 200 yards.

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