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Jan 29, 2021 10:58:51   #
Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan
 
Kmgw9v wrote:
Trump just didn’t throw Pence under the bus. He asked him to disregard his Constitutional duties and overturn an election, that had been deemed totally legitimate by Courts all over the land. Trump asked, and expected Pence to leave Trump in power, disregarding the Constitution and bedrock electoral policy of this country.
When Pence refused to be a traitor, Trump threw him under the bus.


That only happened in your warped mind. All Trump said was he hoped that Pence would do the right thing by which he meant that Pence send some delegations back to the states to request another vote from their electors, totally legal and Constitutional and which was something that Pennsylvania specifically requested be done.

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Jan 29, 2021 11:03:38   #
Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan
 
flip1948 wrote:
There are quite a few articles online regarding due process and impeachment stemming from Trump's legal team trying that argument in his first impeachment. The gist of every single one of those articles is that due process does not apply to impeachment which is a political process, not a judicial process.

From one of those articles by the Bulwark (I don't know what their political leanings are I just chose this snippet because it explains it clearly): "Due process protects regular people from an overbearing, arbitrary hand of government that attempts to deprive individuals of “life, liberty, or property” without notice and an opportunity to be heard first. The Fifth Amendment’s Due Process Clause (the one that binds the federal government) is not intended to protect officeholders—such as the individual who heads the entire federal criminal and military apparatus—from political investigation or a House impeachment trial."

Google "due process impeachment" yourself and be prepared for a significant amount of reading of opinions from those who know what they are talking about.
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Forget those articles about the Constitution. You can't just use them when it is convenient for you. Wake up and smell the s--- that is going on. "Due Process" is not available in an impeachment. Did Trump have a lawyer in this impeachment?

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Jan 29, 2021 11:04:35   #
John_F Loc: Minneapolis, MN
 
Go read the Constitution. I am not your servant.


skylane5sp wrote:
And what 'actions' might those be?

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Jan 29, 2021 11:10:22   #
Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan
 


That 1876 impeachment of a Secretary of War does not qualify as a precedent in law. And why are you using articles about the law and the Constitution only now when it is convenient for you?

Wake up and smell the s--- that is going on. The rules of impeachment are anything the majority party in the House says they are. That is the precedent going forward. And if the Repubs take the House in two years who will stop them from impeaching Obama and how will they do that?

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Jan 29, 2021 11:17:45   #
Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan
 
flip1948 wrote:
Historical precedent when, in 1876, the Secretary of War was impeached even though he had submitted his resignation to President Grant in hope's of avoiding impeachment. He was still impeached but acquitted in the Senate trial.

But in this case Trump was impeached before he left office, something you can't seem to understand. An impeachment demands further action by the Senate, the trial. The process must be completed.

Of course the gutless Republicans in the Senate will undoubtedly fail to convict. A handful will vote to convict because they value their oath of office while the balance will not because they fear that Trump and his base will punish them. What the hell, they wanted to hang Mike Pence during the invasion of the Capitol.
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You know, there is really something you don't seem to understand. When was the Constitution consulted in this last impeachment? Was it when they denied Trump a lawyer or a defense in the House? You can't just use the Constitution when it is convenient for you. Wake up and smell the s--- that is going on. Precedents, due process and law have not entered this case and won't. Impeachment is anything Nancy Pelosi and the majority in the House says it is. That is the precedent. And we will see what happens in two years if the Repubs take back the House.

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Jan 29, 2021 11:24:04   #
Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan
 
gorgehiker wrote:
Trump supporters have very short memories regarding Trump but very long memories regarding Obama and Hillary. In just over three weeks, they have already forgotten that Trump threw his buddy Mike Pence under the bus as the Trump inspired violent mob wanted to hang Pence. What a great guy worthy of the support of fotoartist and other cult members on this site!


What bus are you talking about? Have a scenario going in your warped mind do you? All Trump said was he hoped that Pence would do the right thing by which he meant that Pence send some delegations back to the states to request another vote from their electors, totally legal and Constitutional and which was something that Pennsylvania specifically requested be done.

And the Capitol riot violence did not extend to people unlike the Antifa and BLM and Democrat sanctioned riots of last year. There were no fires, no looting, and no statues toppled. And no one wanted to hang anybody.

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Jan 29, 2021 12:12:01   #
flip1948 Loc: Hamden, CT
 
Fotoartist wrote:
You know, there is really something you don't seem to understand. When was the Constitution consulted in this last impeachment? Was it when they denied Trump a lawyer or a defense in the House? You can't just use the Constitution when it is convenient for you.

You're the one who needs to consult the Constitution as you appear to have never read it, or at least didn't understand what you read.

How many times must you be reminded that the trial takes place in the Senate, not in the House? Therefore it was Mitch McConnell, a Republican, who controlled what happened there. It was Mitch and his cohorts who decided there would be NO witnesses. What kind of a "trial" has NO witnesses, for either side? So the House Managers were NOT allowed to call witnesses for the prosecution and Trump was NOT allowed to call witnesses for his defense.

If you want to complain about lack of due process, talk to Mitch.

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Jan 29, 2021 12:16:25   #
Rose42
 
RixPix wrote:
The racist core of the Republican Party would have if they could have.


There isn’t a racist core just as there isn’t in the democrat party.

You are really good at repeating obviously false propaganda. Lol

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Jan 29, 2021 12:18:52   #
Rose42
 
Should Obama be impeached? No. Whats the point? Last thing we need right now is another circus wasting our money and the time for that is past.

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Jan 29, 2021 12:42:47   #
Shutterbug1697 Loc: Northeast
 
Fotoartist wrote:
That only happened in your warped mind. All Trump said was he hoped that Pence would do the right thing by which he meant that Pence send some delegations back to the states to request another vote from their electors, totally legal and Constitutional and which was something that Pennsylvania specifically requested be done.

Fotoartist, this question is directed at you, and all of the trump CULT members.

Why do warped minds like yours want to overturn an already certified election.

Pence COULDN'T under the Constitution overturn the election results by sending the Electoral College Votes back to the states where trump lost.

With your logical thinking, then all of the Electoral Votes would need to be sent back to all of the states to see if the states wanted to reevaluate how they voted. It's all or nothing, you can't selectively choose a state here or a state there.

Your CULT members didn't want to hear the logic of doing that for the 2016 Election, WHY do you think you have a case now?

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Jan 29, 2021 12:48:08   #
dlwhawaii Loc: Sunny Wailuku, Hawaii
 
Fotoartist wrote:
If it is a good idea to impeach and try former presidents, what about former Democrat presidents when Republicans get the majority? Think about it and let’s do what is best for the country.

First up, what about Obama's "war on cops." Seeing as Democrats say that Trump's rhetoric 'incited an insurrection' at the U.S. Capitol as the primary reason for their second bogus impeachment, it's more than fair to say that Obama should be equally held accountable for his rhetoric as president which inspired a war on cops, resulting in a spike in assassinations of police officers nationwide. Among those who were lost in the attacks were five Dallas police officers murdered in an attack in 2016.

The second-most important article of impeachment against Obama should be the IRS targeting scandal, which former IRS official Lois Lerner confirmed actually happened. Not only were tea party groups improperly targeted, according to documents obtained by Judicial Watch, but the whole scheme was also orchestrated out of Washington, D.C. There was also evidence of White House involvement. Then-IRS Commissioner Douglas Shulman was at the White House at least 157 times while the IRS was targeting tea party groups.

Third, Obama agreed to "illegal treaties" without the consent of the Senate, the Iran Nuclear Deal and Paris Climate Accords, both of which met the requirements for an international treaty. However, Obama refused to submit them to the Senate presumably because he knew they would be shot down. So he simply implemented in apparent violation of the Constitution.

Fourth, Obama violated at least four federal laws back in 2010, for offering then-congressman Joe Sestak, D-Pa., a job in his administration in exchange for not challenging Arlen Specter for the Democratic nomination for U.S. Senate. Bribery is a crime, and Barack Obama committed it. At the same time, Obama illegally fired Gerald Walpin, the inspector general for the Corporation for National and Community Service after Walpin investigated Obama's friend and donor, Kevin Johnson.

Fifth, in 2014, 47 of 73 inspectors general wrote to Congress charging "the Obama administration was obstructing investigations by not giving them full access to the information they need." Such systemic corruption would have been considered an impeachable [offense] for almost any other president.

Sixth, Obama spied on the news media, demanding two months of phone records from some Associated Press reporters and editors. Reporter James Rosen of Fox News, even was threatened with jail time when the Obama Justice Department labeled him a 'co-conspirator' with one of his sources.

Seventh, Obama's "illegal war in Libya" started by bypassing Congress's authority. The Benghazi attack cover-up was next. Four Americans, including the ambassador, were murdered in Benghazi in an orchestrated terror assault. But Obama's administration, instead "called it a spontaneous demonstration" in order "to hide the fact it was a pre-planned terror attack and that they were grossly unprepared."

The Obama administration, including then-Vice President Joe Biden, "obstructed" an investigation by Congress. Officials then jailed an innocent man, Nakoula Basseley Nakoula, whose film "The Innocence of Muslims" was pulled out of anonymity and blamed for the attack.

And finally, there's Obamagate and the attempted coup on a duly elected president.

The spying on President Trump’s campaign alone [that is] is chock full of abuses of power and illegal activity. The Obama administration spied on the Trump campaign based on a bogus dossier funded by the Hillary campaign. The Obama administration used the dossier, that they knew was Russian disinformation ginned up to distract from Hillary’s email scandal, to obtain a FISA warrant even though they never had any empirical evidence of collusion. Further, evidence that Russia actually preferred Hillary over Trump was allegedly suppressed by Obama’s CIA Director John Brennan. The Obamagate scandal runs deep, wide, and dirty.

And Obama was aware that his administration was spying on Trump’s incoming National Security Adviser Michael Flynn, whose communications with then-Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak were illegally leaked to the media to bolster the bogus claims of Russian collusion between Trump and Russia.

Obama’s direct knowledge of the details of Flynn’s wiretapped calls even shocked his then-Deputy Attorney General Sally Yates. Obama had fired Flynn as head of the Defense Intelligence Agency in 2014 in order to protect Obama’s nuclear deal with Iran. Evidence that the Obama administration intended to catch Flynn in a perjury trap or get him fired was also exposed, prompting Trump’s Department of Justice to drop the case against Flynn. And Obama’s direct knowledge of the attempt to railroad Flynn proved that the effort to undermine Trump went all the way to the top.

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Jan 29, 2021 12:51:03   #
Shutterbug1697 Loc: Northeast
 
Fotoartist wrote:
Forget those articles about the Constitution. You can't just use them when it is convenient for you. Wake up and smell the s--- that is going on. "Due Process" is not available in an impeachment. Did Trump have a lawyer in this impeachment?

Lawyers are allowed during the Senate Trial, they're not allowed during an Impeachment Process.

Think of the Impeachment process as the investigation, Grand Jury, and arraignment in a criminal case. Lawyers are not allowed during the investigation or Grand Jury phase in a criminal case. The presentation of the case in the Senate Trial is the equivalant to the Araignment in a criminal case.

You lost your argument during the first trump Impeachment and Trial, why are you trying to make the same argument again for trump's second Impeachment and Trial?

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Jan 29, 2021 13:23:34   #
Shutterbug1697 Loc: Northeast
 
Fotoartist wrote:
That 1876 impeachment of a Secretary of War does not qualify as a precedent in law. And why are you using articles about the law and the Constitution only now when it is convenient for you?

Wake up and smell the s--- that is going on. The rules of impeachment are anything the majority party in the House says they are. That is the precedent going forward. And if the Repubs take the House in two years who will stop them from impeaching Obama and how will they do that?

Obama would have had to be IMPEACHED during his Term in Office.

That never happened.

Obama CAN'T be impeached after he's left office.

trump was Impeached while he was still in office, which is why the Senate Trial will go forward, no matter how hard the trump CULT tries to claim that it can't happen.

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Jan 29, 2021 13:25:26   #
Shutterbug1697 Loc: Northeast
 
Fotoartist wrote:
What bus are you talking about? Have a scenario going in your warped mind do you? All Trump said was he hoped that Pence would do the right thing by which he meant that Pence send some delegations back to the states to request another vote from their electors, totally legal and Constitutional and which was something that Pennsylvania specifically requested be done.

And the Capitol riot violence did not extend to people unlike the Antifa and BLM and Democrat sanctioned riots of last year. There were no fires, no looting, and no statues toppled. And no one wanted to hang anybody.
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There are recordings of the Capitol Rioters changing "Hang Mike Pence" all over the internet.

What rock have you been living under?

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Jan 29, 2021 13:27:40   #
Shutterbug1697 Loc: Northeast
 
Rose42 wrote:
Should Obama be impeached? No. Whats the point? Last thing we need right now is another circus wasting our money and the time for that is past.

The clock has long run out on trying to Impeach Former President Barack Obama.

The option ended at noon on January 20, 2017!

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