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Jan 29, 2021 09:02:37   #
Notorious T.O.D. Loc: Harrisburg, North Carolina
 
My philosophy has always been to buy high quality tools and not that many of them. Cameras or woodworking it works for me. Maybe one day I will buy some Martin woodworking machines.

But I have seen people who can cut dovetails with a hacksaw and a screwdriver. But the question is why?

Gene51 wrote:
As an amateur cabinetmaker - I'd rather have a Festool saw than a SkilSaw. I'd rather have Lie Nielsen hand planes than the current Stanley crap, Forrest saw blades in my table and compound miter, Timberwolf band saw blades in my band saw, Whiteside router bits in my routers, and so on. The right tools do make a difference, and while they cost a bit more up front, they are made to last, stay sharper longer, and just "feel right" in my hands. And I can't stand Craftsman and Stanley hand and power tools since they abandoned domestic manufacturers and opted for off-shore. The quality has gone way down hill.

Drilling a proper pilot hole ensures the screw goes in straight, btw.

Just playin' with ya. . .

As an amateur cabinetmaker - I'd rather have a Fes... (show quote)

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Jan 29, 2021 09:03:29   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
johngault007 wrote:
Since we are already off topic, I just did an audition on a 4 piece starter drum set for a band tonight and got the job. Left my big-boy kit at home for the paying gigs.


I have a friend that only brings a bass drum, snare, hi-hat and ride cymbal when he plays with a certain band because they don’t mic the toms. Every drummer that has sat in in that kit has commented after about how hard it was to play and are amazed that he can do it all night and keep it interesting.

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Jan 29, 2021 09:09:54   #
Mac Loc: Pittsburgh, Philadelphia now Hernando Co. Fl.
 
leftj wrote:
This is an example of creating controversy for the sake of starting a firestorm debate.


No, it’s a way of pointing out all those “My brand sells more than your brand so that makes my brand better than yours” are full of it. The skill of the user is more important than they brand that is used.

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Jan 29, 2021 09:11:55   #
leftj Loc: Texas
 
Mac wrote:
No, it’s a way of pointing out all those “My brand sells more than your brand so that makes my brand better than yours” are full of it. The skill of the user is more important than they brand that is used.


You just reinforced my point.

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Jan 29, 2021 09:15:25   #
alberio Loc: Casa Grande AZ
 
Gene51 wrote:
As an amateur cabinetmaker - I'd rather have a Festool saw than a SkilSaw. I'd rather have Lie Nielsen hand planes than the current Stanley crap, Forrest saw blades in my table and compound miter, Timberwolf band saw blades in my band saw, Whiteside router bits in my routers, and so on. The right tools do make a difference, and while they cost a bit more up front, they are made to last, stay sharper longer, and just "feel right" in my hands. And I can't stand Craftsman and Stanley hand and power tools since they abandoned domestic manufacturers and opted for off-shore. The quality has gone way down hill.

Drilling a proper pilot hole ensures the screw goes in straight, btw.

Just playin' with ya. . .

As an amateur cabinetmaker - I'd rather have a Fes... (show quote)


I'm with Gene on this one, that's why for over 30 years I've used Snap-On tools for my automotive work.

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Jan 29, 2021 09:18:55   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
When you think all the brands are the same, you own the wrong brand.

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Jan 29, 2021 09:23:05   #
alberio Loc: Casa Grande AZ
 
Gene51 wrote:
I am a fan of Japanese cabinetry, and the way they did not use metal fasteners, and yes, it is important to tip one's hat to the forefathers. Thank goodness, however, for not having to mix explosives and set them off in order to make a picture with something that was the forefather of electronic flash. Or even more recently, when as a child, I used to by flash bulbs by the dozens, changing the bulb after each shot. Now that was a shooting workflow that I would not care to return to.

Your point is well made - but so is mine, namely that progress and technology have made certain things easier and faster to do. I recently built a credenza with 6 shelves on full-extension drawer slides, and a barn door front, using doweled joints with dovetails for the drawers (a nod to the old days), and the only place I used metal fasteners was to attach the drawer slides to the drawers and the carcass, and the barn door hardware. I did use a jointer plane to prepare the edges of the top and sides, which were made by edge-joining multiple pieces of 5/4 ash, and of course numerous hand places for fitting and trimming stuff. And I built my workbench years ago before having any real power tools, using nothing more than an auger for holes, and dovetail saw for joinery, and a jack plane, smoothing plane, and jointer plane to get the top flat and straight. It took me a while but it was well worth the effort. I could build that same workbench today with my power tools in 1/4 the time, with most of the time taken by clamping and gluing.

If you want to talk about primitive tech, there is no better example than the masons of the Inca Empire. They used a system joinery that did not include mortar - just gravity - to hold things together. Their work was so exacting that the joints between stones were so tight that one cannot slip a piece of paper in between two stones.

https://thearchitectstake.com/work-news/mark-english-architects/rock-whisperers-the-subtle-power-of-incan-masonry/
I am a fan of Japanese cabinetry, and the way they... (show quote)


Maybe you could include photos of your woodworking. Im always in awe of people who don't saw a board off twice and it's still too short.

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Jan 29, 2021 09:30:50   #
Mac Loc: Pittsburgh, Philadelphia now Hernando Co. Fl.
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
When you think all the brands are the same, you own the wrong brand.


I’m not saying all brands are the same.

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Jan 29, 2021 09:37:19   #
User ID
 
quixdraw wrote:
Pretty simply - I like the gear I like and it works for me, and has since around '68. You like what you like - behaving like a representative of some odd cult who has knocked at the front door isn't going to convert me to your preference, just annoy me. A friend's dog watered a guy's pants leg under those circumstances - succinct and appropriate response.

This thread would most appropriately end right there ... but acoarst the show must go on. Nevertheless that will most surely remain the best lines in the entire script. Bravo !

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Jan 29, 2021 09:51:58   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
User ID wrote:
This thread would most appropriately end right there ... but acoarst the show must go on. Nevertheless that will most surely remain the best lines in the entire script. Bravo !


And you added one more post to insure that it goes to the top of the page, just in case somebody missed it.





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Jan 29, 2021 09:56:35   #
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SuperflyTNT wrote:
I have a friend that only brings a bass drum, snare, hi-hat and ride cymbal when he plays with a certain band because they don’t mic the toms. Every drummer that has sat in in that kit has commented after about how hard it was to play and are amazed that he can do it all night and keep it interesting.

Good bet that if they were well practiced with such a bare bones kit many of them would love it ... many but not all.

And acoarst there exist those players who can just sit right down and kill it. We had no drummer in a duo, but a way cool stranger was welcomed to play whatever ad hoc percussion was on hand, which was a tubular steel chair and a wine icing bucket (such cats do tend to carry sticks wherever they go).

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Jan 29, 2021 10:03:56   #
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Bill_de wrote:
And you added one more post to insure that it goes to the top of the page, just in case somebody missed it.


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Was very aware of an ironic conflict of ideas when hitting “send”.

In that moment, I muttered a happy WTF and just sent it. No remorseful second thoughts.

The show must go on :-)

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Jan 29, 2021 10:37:02   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
Gene51 wrote:
As an amateur cabinetmaker - I'd rather have a Festool saw than a SkilSaw. I'd rather have Lie Nielsen hand planes than the current Stanley crap, Forrest saw blades in my table and compound miter, Timberwolf band saw blades in my band saw, Whiteside router bits in my routers, and so on. The right tools do make a difference, and while they cost a bit more up front, they are made to last, stay sharper longer, and just "feel right" in my hands. And I can't stand Craftsman and Stanley hand and power tools since they abandoned domestic manufacturers and opted for off-shore. The quality has gone way down hill.

Drilling a proper pilot hole ensures the screw goes in straight, btw.

Just playin' with ya. . .

As an amateur cabinetmaker - I'd rather have a Fes... (show quote)


👍👍 Completely agree - Forrest and Timberwolf on my saws. Hard to do quality work with crappy tools, or as my 9th grade shop teacher used to say: “the right tool in the right condition is half the job”. Btw, I agree in general on the joinery - I used to make faceframes without hardware, but my son gave me a Kreg Jig a few years ago, which I pooh poohed, but after trying it, I have to admit, it does create fast solid joints (along with some glue), although not purist.

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Jan 29, 2021 10:59:52   #
joer Loc: Colorado/Illinois
 
Mac wrote:
It doesn’t matter if you use a Craftsman, Klein, or Stanley screwdriver. What matters is how straight you can drive the screw.


An experienced workman knows after a while which tools work best for them. Same with cameras. There are other considerations as well.

Its perfectly natural to become enthusiastic about new gear or camera functions as long as you recognize that others may have different needs or desires. Blind loyalty just makes you a fanboy.

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Jan 29, 2021 11:10:02   #
DebAnn Loc: Toronto
 
Mac wrote:
It doesn’t matter if you use a Craftsman, Klein, or Stanley screwdriver. What matters is how straight you can drive the screw.


Oh come on guys, do we really need this ridiculous nonsense?

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