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Jan 29, 2021 05:44:09   #
Tdearing Loc: Rockport, TX
 
Gene51 wrote:
As an amateur cabinetmaker - I'd rather have a Festool saw than a SkilSaw. I'd rather have Lie Nielsen hand planes than the current Stanley crap, Forrest saw blades in my table and compound miter, Timberwolf band saw blades in my band saw, Whiteside router bits in my routers, and so on. The right tools do make a difference, and while they cost a bit more up front, they are made to last, stay sharper longer, and just "feel right" in my hands. And I can't stand Craftsman and Stanley hand and power tools since they abandoned domestic manufacturers and opted for off-shore. The quality has gone way down hill.

Drilling a proper pilot hole ensures the screw goes in straight, btw.

Just playin' with ya. . .

As an amateur cabinetmaker - I'd rather have a Fes... (show quote)


Not sure what started all this, but just getting anyone to show up to do work in a beach town like Rockport, TX or for that matter, the FL Keys, is a near act of God, so I wouldn't turn someone away for their choice in tools - rather their inability to use them. As an analogy, owning a set of Ping golf clubs isn't going to make you a good golfer, I know as a young man having clobbered many fancy outfitted golfers with my inexpensive Northwestern Chi Chi Rodriguez clubs. It's most often the man/woman behind the tool.

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Jan 29, 2021 06:01:52   #
w00dy4012 Loc: Thalia, East Virginia
 
Mac wrote:
It doesn’t matter if you use a Craftsman, Klein, or Stanley screwdriver. What matters is how straight you can drive the screw.



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Jan 29, 2021 06:05:39   #
mrova Loc: Chesterfield, VA
 
Gene51 wrote:
As an amateur cabinetmaker - I'd rather have a Festool saw than a SkilSaw. I'd rather have Lie Nielsen hand planes than the current Stanley crap, Forrest saw blades in my table and compound miter, Timberwolf band saw blades in my band saw, Whiteside router bits in my routers, and so on. The right tools do make a difference, and while they cost a bit more up front, they are made to last, stay sharper longer, and just "feel right" in my hands. And I can't stand Craftsman and Stanley hand and power tools since they abandoned domestic manufacturers and opted for off-shore. The quality has gone way down hill.

Drilling a proper pilot hole ensures the screw goes in straight, btw.

Just playin' with ya. . .

As an amateur cabinetmaker - I'd rather have a Fes... (show quote)


True, everything you say! In my woodworking, I can not do what I do with the silly Craftsman woodlathe - wore two headstocks out in those - so I moved up to a high (for me) end lathe and am able to do much more quality and creative turnings, and make money. And just to stay on topic here, I can't take the same photos with a kodak instamatic that I can with my Canon big boy camera, so it makes a huge difference for me. By the way, Gene51, good to meet a fellow cabinet maker. Well, I'm more of regular woodworker.

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Jan 29, 2021 06:07:24   #
w00dy4012 Loc: Thalia, East Virginia
 
Gene51 wrote:
As an amateur cabinetmaker - I'd rather have a Festool saw than a SkilSaw. I'd rather have Lie Nielsen hand planes than the current Stanley crap, Forrest saw blades in my table and compound miter, Timberwolf band saw blades in my band saw, Whiteside router bits in my routers, and so on. The right tools do make a difference, and while they cost a bit more up front, they are made to last, stay sharper longer, and just "feel right" in my hands. And I can't stand Craftsman and Stanley hand and power tools since they abandoned domestic manufacturers and opted for off-shore. The quality has gone way down hill.

Drilling a proper pilot hole ensures the screw goes in straight, btw.

Just playin' with ya. . .

As an amateur cabinetmaker - I'd rather have a Fes... (show quote)


Those 18th Century cabinet makers with their primitive (compared to today's) tools sure made crappy furniture.

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Jan 29, 2021 06:29:06   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
w00dy4012 wrote:
Those 18th Century cabinet makers with their primitive (compared to today's) tools sure made crappy furniture.


I am a fan of Japanese cabinetry, and the way they did not use metal fasteners, and yes, it is important to tip one's hat to the forefathers. Thank goodness, however, for not having to mix explosives and set them off in order to make a picture with something that was the forefather of electronic flash. Or even more recently, when as a child, I used to by flash bulbs by the dozens, changing the bulb after each shot. Now that was a shooting workflow that I would not care to return to.

Your point is well made - but so is mine, namely that progress and technology have made certain things easier and faster to do. I recently built a credenza with 6 shelves on full-extension drawer slides, and a barn door front, using doweled joints with dovetails for the drawers (a nod to the old days), and the only place I used metal fasteners was to attach the drawer slides to the drawers and the carcass, and the barn door hardware. I did use a jointer plane to prepare the edges of the top and sides, which were made by edge-joining multiple pieces of 5/4 ash, and of course numerous hand places for fitting and trimming stuff. And I built my workbench years ago before having any real power tools, using nothing more than an auger for holes, and dovetail saw for joinery, and a jack plane, smoothing plane, and jointer plane to get the top flat and straight. It took me a while but it was well worth the effort. I could build that same workbench today with my power tools in 1/4 the time, with most of the time taken by clamping and gluing.

If you want to talk about primitive tech, there is no better example than the masons of the Inca Empire. They used a system joinery that did not include mortar - just gravity - to hold things together. Their work was so exacting that the joints between stones were so tight that one cannot slip a piece of paper in between two stones.

https://thearchitectstake.com/work-news/mark-english-architects/rock-whisperers-the-subtle-power-of-incan-masonry/

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Jan 29, 2021 06:38:45   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
Mac wrote:
It doesn’t matter if you use a Craftsman, Klein, or Stanley screwdriver. What matters is how straight you can drive the screw.


To a point you are correct. I am a wildlife photographer, to capture that exact timing for a perfect shot the higher frames per second the better.
My Sony a9 can shoot at 20 fps, my Nikon D500, can shoot at 10 fps. Both are excellent camera's. But I am better off, as a wild life photographer, with the a9 vs. the D500.
So, yes I agree in part with you. But there are differences in camera's when it comes to specific uses of that equipment.
Below is an example of 20 frames per second of a Red Shoulder Hawk gathering nesting material. 20 fps does make a difference.



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Jan 29, 2021 06:44:05   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
mrova wrote:
True, everything you say! In my woodworking, I can not do what I do with the silly Craftsman woodlathe - wore two headstocks out in those - so I moved up to a high (for me) end lathe and am able to do much more quality and creative turnings, and make money. And just to stay on topic here, I can't take the same photos with a kodak instamatic that I can with my Canon big boy camera, so it makes a huge difference for me. By the way, Gene51, good to meet a fellow cabinet maker. Well, I'm more of regular woodworker.
True, everything you say! In my woodworking, I ca... (show quote)


Of course - a good photographer can make good images with any camera, but the better the gear, the better the results. Funny you should mention the Instamatic. I had one of those, but not the cheap one you could by at the corner drugstore. I had the one that was made in Germany with a Schneider lens and full manual controls. It's only relationship to Instamatics was that it used the 126 film cartridges.

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Jan 29, 2021 06:46:15   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
Tdearing wrote:
Not sure what started all this, but just getting anyone to show up to do work in a beach town like Rockport, TX or for that matter, the FL Keys, is a near act of God, so I wouldn't turn someone away for their choice in tools - rather their inability to use them. As an analogy, owning a set of Ping golf clubs isn't going to make you a good golfer, I know as a young man having clobbered many fancy outfitted golfers with my inexpensive Northwestern Chi Chi Rodriguez clubs. It's most often the man/woman behind the tool.
Not sure what started all this, but just getting a... (show quote)


It's no different in Lower Delaware. One HVAC company sets itself apart with the motto they have printed on all of their trucks - "We Show Up"

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Jan 29, 2021 07:09:40   #
insman1132 Loc: Southwest Florida
 
Wasn't it Ansel Adams who said, "A good photographer can get a great picture with a pin hole camera?"

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Jan 29, 2021 07:33:20   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
insman1132 wrote:
Wasn't it Ansel Adams who said, "A good photographer can get a great picture with a pin hole camera?"


I would love to see a photo of a bird in flight taken with a pin hole camera.

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Jan 29, 2021 08:24:05   #
Canisdirus
 
Mac wrote:
The point was, that how well the tool is used is more important than who made the tool.


I worked for my father's electrical company for a few years after college...and let me tell you...the 'lifers' cared what brand they used.
I just wanted tools ... I cut corners. I learned the hard way. Eventually, I ponied up the cash for Klein tools.
If you use something for a living...you need to have the best you can afford.

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Jan 29, 2021 08:27:43   #
jaymatt Loc: Alexandria, Indiana
 
I assumed this post would bring folks out of the woodwork.

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Jan 29, 2021 08:42:37   #
leftj Loc: Texas
 
Mac wrote:
It doesn’t matter if you use a Craftsman, Klein, or Stanley screwdriver. What matters is how straight you can drive the screw.


This is an example of creating controversy for the sake of starting a firestorm debate.

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Jan 29, 2021 08:52:26   #
johngault007 Loc: Florida Panhandle
 
leftj wrote:
This is an example of creating controversy for the sake of starting a firestorm debate.


Really? I'm learning a lot...

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Jan 29, 2021 08:57:23   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
jaymatt wrote:
I assumed this post would bring folks out of the woodwork.


Woodwork? Where are folks in the woodwork? How did folks get into the woodwork? And, after they are in, how do they get out? I am confused. And that is pretty easy.

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