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Dec 26, 2020 15:07:14   #
jabra
 
julian.gang wrote:
Is there really anything wrong with a picture taken with a JPEG camera converted to TIFF?...Julian


Nothing at all if YOU like it, or if you don't want to take it to the next level.

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Dec 26, 2020 15:28:26   #
Spoondude Loc: Mid coast Florida
 
DirtFarmer wrote:
When I got my first DSLR I shot jpg for about a year. It was what I knew.

Eventually I screwed up and changed a setting but forgot to change it back. White balance was all wrong. And the photos I took were important and nonrepeatable. It took me a couple hours to get things looking reasonable (never got them looking good) but I was still learning postprocessing and had limited tools available. But from that point on, I shot raw.

When I was shooting jpg, the photos were just fine most of the time. There was nothing wrong with them. I started to shoot raw+jpg as insurance just in case I screwed up again.

When I got more than 10,000 photos in my photopile I was having trouble finding things. Since I had started to use Lightroom as an editor, I started to also use it as an organizer for my photos. Now everything goes into Lightroom. Everything. Using Lightroom I can find old photos in seconds. I can even find photos I forgot I took (something that occurs with increasing frequency at my age).

As long as I'm putting the images into Lightroom, there's no incentive for me to shoot jpg. I might just as well shoot raw. Lightroom doesn't care. And shooting raw gives me more leverage in the postprocessing. I usually don't really need it unless I screw up again, but the ability is there. As long as Lightroom is in the workflow, I just dropped the jpg from the shooting. I don't need instant results because my DSLR is not connected to social media except through my desktop or laptop, and I don't carry those around with me. Also, now that I have the Photography Package, it's easy to take an image and transmogrify it in Photoshop, then return it to Lightroom for the organization. Winwin for me.
When I got my first DSLR I shot jpg for about a ye... (show quote)


Great thoughts on subject. I like Lightroom as well but never thought of using is a a library

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Dec 26, 2020 17:08:48   #
Merlin1300 Loc: New England, But Now & Forever SoTX
 
No - - I did Not read all 6 pages of this thread - and I will not watch it after this post.
I ALWAYS shoot Large RAW + JPG with my 80D (unless I shoot a 5-shot series for later HDR processing)
The images I can produce in Post from RAW are almost ALWAYS better than the in-camera JPG rendition.
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Do NOT limit yourself to just shooting JPG. Shoot RAW + JPG - and if you are happy with the JPG, delete the RAW

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Dec 26, 2020 18:28:00   #
Stash Loc: South Central Massachusetts
 
I shoot jpeg all the time since my camera does not do raw files. I rely on pp to tweak wherever I think it's needed.

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Dec 26, 2020 18:30:16   #
pecohen Loc: Central Maine
 
NormanTheGr8 wrote:
I disagree shooting Raw or jpeg has nothing to do with how good of a photographer you are.
Raw just allows you to easier manipulate the picture how you want it to look in post by using your knowledge and ability in your editing software to create the final product .
Taking your camera out of Auto and knowing why you are going to put the exposure settings where you are , Will make you a better photographer


A lot of disagreements stem from differences in how words are interpreted. In this instance, I think the word "photographer" is at fault. You seem to be in the camp of those who think the photographer's job is over once the shutter is released. That interpretation probably became the common usage with the introduction of color film. With that innovation, most photographers abandoned doing their own developing and printing. The only control left to the typical photographer was setting up the camera with the appropriate filters, exposure settings and perhaps some lighting modification using reflectors or artificial lights.

But in the days of Ansel Adams, serious photographers had their own labs and did their own developing and printing. I've read that Adams would often spend several weeks on printing a satisfactory image, making trial and error adjustments to get the print just right. That was not because he lacked skill, I suspect we would both grant that he was quite expert on setting the camera up just right. But in his view there was still much work to do. Most likely he did consider the developing and printing as important parts of his work as a photographer.

With today's digital cameras and digital editing technology, I doubt anyone spends several weeks on just one image but once again, as in the past, many photographers would again include the post-processing to be an important part of their photography. But it all depends on how broadly or narrowly you interpret the job of a photographer to be. You could still interpret this word narrowly, to mean that the photographer's job ends once the exposure is taken. In this interpretation, the photographer would simply transform into a photo editor rather than a photographer once the editing begins.

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Dec 26, 2020 19:00:05   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
If Ansel Adams was the photographer worthy of that name, he'd do a better job Straight Out Of Camera like a Real Photographer.

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Dec 26, 2020 19:12:03   #
jabra
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
If Ansel Adams was the photographer worthy of that name, he'd do a better job Straight Out Of Camera like a Real Photographer.


That's a good one!

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Dec 26, 2020 19:21:09   #
Wyantry Loc: SW Colorado
 
bleirer wrote:
“. . . your camera starts with the raw data from the exposure then applies your various settings for sharpness, saturation, white balance, and on and on, and then converts it all to a jpeg and throws away the raw data. So it is fine as long as you don't want to make many changes later . . .” You still can make some changes later, just more limited and maybe more difficult . . . “.


So if you were to carefully set up exposures, white balance and ISO values, then bracket exposures, Photo Stacking options could allow for processing of smaller files than dealing with (huge) RAW files.

Not the BEST of options, perhaps . . . But doeable.

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Dec 26, 2020 19:54:41   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
Spoondude wrote:
Great thoughts on subject. I like Lightroom as well but never thought of using is a a library


Lightroom Classic is an image database (library), plus a raw image editor (ACR), plus a photo book composer, plus a geo-mapper, plus a printing system and an export render engine. It is also a hub that connects all your imaging apps.

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Dec 26, 2020 20:18:45   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 

--Bob
CHG_CANON wrote:
If Ansel Adams was the photographer worthy of that name, he'd do a better job Straight Out Of Camera like a Real Photographer.

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Dec 26, 2020 20:34:52   #
ronpier Loc: Poland Ohio
 
Stash wrote:
I shoot jpeg all the time since my camera does not do raw files. I rely on pp to tweak wherever I think it's needed.


Same here. Occasional tweaking is about the only thing needed.

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Dec 26, 2020 21:43:32   #
David in Dallas Loc: Dallas, Texas, USA
 
ronpier wrote:
Nothing wrong. To each his own. I shoot JPEG and am very satisfied with the results and have not been kicked off the UHH site. Others prefer RAW or TIFF. If it makes you happy.....that’s all that matters.
Same here. I only do JPEG and am perfectly happy with it. I use Lightroom to post-process and generally can do anything I need to. I'm not overly fussy, and have posted many photos here on UHH and seem to have pleased a lot of viewers.

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Dec 26, 2020 23:16:12   #
ronpier Loc: Poland Ohio
 
David in Dallas wrote:
Same here. I only do JPEG and am perfectly happy with it. I use Lightroom to post-process and generally can do anything I need to. I'm not overly fussy, and have posted many photos here on UHH and seem to have pleased a lot of viewers.

The small amount of post processing I do is thru Apple Photos. Does the job for me.

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Dec 27, 2020 00:58:52   #
Wallen Loc: Middle Earth
 
julian.gang wrote:
Is there really anything wrong with a picture taken with a JPEG camera converted to TIFF?...Julian


While there is nothing wrong with converting the JPEG to TIFF just for the sake of converting it, there is no gain either. Nothing will magically appear and be added to improve the quality of image.

Give yourself a reason "Why do you need to convert the file?".

It is in saving edited images with the intent of re-editing it again is what TIFF is good for.
Think and use TIFF same as a PSD file. A single TIFF file can contain many images & adjustments as layers.
Imagine a book binder with different contents on every page or a bucket where you can put the jpeg and other images or instructions together and still be able to pull them out and rearrange individually again. TIFF is like that.

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Dec 27, 2020 04:19:42   #
Delderby Loc: Derby UK
 
burkphoto wrote:
Bob is demonstrating advanced exposure and post-processing techniques that nearly always confuse people... He is doing that to maximize dynamic range, minimize noise, and squeeze as much color or contrast from a scene as he can. As you can see from the results, it works quite well! But it does yield a really awful JPEG at the camera.

Whether this technique is useful to you really depends upon your goals. It is especially great for the kind of landscape work he has shown here. Perhaps it does not apply to wedding photography or sports action.

After 50 years of attempting and viewing serious photography, one thing I can say is that there is no one-size-fits-all approach. The basics of cameras are well established. The basic techniques are well established, too. But the range of specialized and advanced techniques is amazing.

One person can pick up a camera and make "bird cage liners." Another person can pick up the same camera and make museum exhibit work. In both cases, it isn't just the hardware that matters, so much as how it is used.

Cameras record images. People create photographs. There really isn't anything wrong with your workflow, or your file format, or your medium (film or digital), if you can make your photograph look the way you want it to look, and get your message across.
Bob is demonstrating advanced exposure and post-pr... (show quote)


Re your first para. Bob did say that the first pic was what his camera would make of a JPG - I can only presume with all settings at default. Therefore it does need scrapping. (MHO)

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