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Too true to be funny. Boys do looove their bokeh. The more romantic and more misty the more better.

Grown men, OTOH, learn the LARGE lessons of dealing with actual reality.

Bokeh is the refuge of aesthetically hapless practitioners, a placid safe harbor for legions of artless artistes.

Karl's Bird Photography Loc: Oregon

Software is cheaper than glass :-)

lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA

PDC

What's your point?

wdross Loc: Castle Rock, Colorado

A very serious photographer, or someone with excess money, wants "a leica monochrome camera" for "7K". Most people are very happy with what their smartphones can do. In fact, I am very happy with what my smartphone can do - but, as a photographer, I also want more than what a smartphone can provide. So it comes down to how much money one can afford to do with their "leisure" item or "hobby" and what features are important. As can be seen here in this thread, bokeh plays a very big importance for some - and has a lot less importance for others. This is why the three main formats exist. For the ones where bokeh is very important, full frame is the best choice - at a higher price than than APS-C or 4/3rds. For the ones like me, where bokeh plays less importance, we can get away with 4/3rds at a lower price. Of course, compared to smartphones, even 4/3rds provides more bokeh. But to get that bokeh, one has to spend more money than just a smartphone. And as long as the masses are more than satisfied with their smartphones, the less likely the masses are going to spend more money for cameras and the less likely the camera market is going to change upward anytime soon. And with the higher the cost, the less it will sell. This is why the main future will be APS-C, not full frame. And unless 4/3rds comes out with a new and better sensor, even 4/3rds, with its smaller size, less weight, and less cost, will be "playing" second or third "fiddle" to APS-C.

Most everyone will afford a smartphone because of its universal use and convenience. Not every photographer is going to pay more for just a separate camera / video anything.

rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona

I have a Leica monochrome camera. I’ve had it since I was 5. It’s a bit larger than a cell phone but does an excellent job. It’s also a good bit smaller than a DSLR.
—Bob

wdross Loc: Castle Rock, Colorado

I suspect it was a bit cheaper then the present monochrome Leica. A good camera will always be a good camera even if not as technically advanced as today's cameras.

rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona

It was either a Christmas or birthday present. I was too young to remember. I still have it and use it. Manual focus, as well as Shutter-Speed and f-stop. But works excellently.
—Bob

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[quote=Tomcat5133]I follow some photo/video online's like Phoblographer.
They have a piece on "Which One is Best? Comparing the Bokeh of 35mm
Full Frame Lenses." this week.
I have a couple of good primes. Sony Zeiss 55mmn 1.8 for my FF a7's....

I started with Canon digital many years ago and still have everything I ever bought so I doubt that I will ever buy any more photographic gear. I have several bodies and a whole desk drawer full of lens. My widest is 20mm, my longest 400mm, lots of zooms, several primes so I think I'm covered. Haven't had a GAS attack in years!

Plus I have another expensive hobby, bird dog and spaniel field trials and since I'm retired.... Harry

Tomcat5133 Loc: Gladwyne PA

Hey smart phones on the high-end are very expensive. I had a LEICA C-LUX 1 small camera my wife bought for me years ago for my birthday. in 2006 probably about 900 bucks. i shot only bw with it. And loved the camera.I found out recently about micro contrast which some lens and cameras create in b&w. I looked to see what the new Leica monochrome and saw the 7k. Crazy accept for vanity buyer. I just bought an Fujifilm XT3 (Which I post here) because it color management and built in film looks went with a great camera. It was $500 off on
black friday with 16 - 80 fuji lens at B&H. Yes I have switched back to aps-s. I will sell most of my good Sony cameras FF and lens. I am now convinced that quality cropped lens cameras can work very well for my quality needs. Smart phones are amazing. They have algorithims built in like our manual settings and take great
shots the camera is in control. And the sensor is small. Stay safe. Good luck.

wdross Loc: Castle Rock, Colorado

You are follow what an industrial seer is predicting. APS-C is the new area of the market that manufacturers are going to concentrate on. Smaller, lighter, and less costly. Most FF owners will not go all the way down to 4/3rds because of adapters and their FF lenses. But the newer people just entering into photography will look very strongly at both APS-C and 4/3rds.

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That works most of the time. “Most of the time” is plenty enough.

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Living in both worlds, I guess I do see my FF stuff as my old classics and my m4/3 as my latest greatest, up to date kit. IOW I pretty much agree with your overview of the generational divide.

Tomcat5133 Loc: Gladwyne PA

Y this is a beautiful simple photographic. One of the best I have seen here. Good Luck Stay safe

yorkiebyte Loc: Scottsdale, AZ/Bandon by the Sea, OR