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Dec 18, 2020 10:29:43   #
JimBart Loc: Western Michigan
 
Downloaded the manual to pdf to the computer and transferred it to my phone.
Also printed my own manual by reducing print size for my vision Now I have both worlds

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Dec 18, 2020 10:31:52   #
tomcat
 
A paper copy can be read ANYTIME. When the power is out or no internet what you do then? Just sit and listen to the in-bound missiles as they land?

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Dec 18, 2020 10:33:16   #
RS Bandit
 
Several years ago I was in a meeting with some very high level corporate managers who said their industries were leaning toward on-line manuals citing the following: Ability to constantly update manuals (not having to wait for "major" changes) thereby providing customers a real-time grasp of their products and services while saving their companies the expense and effort of printing manuals and tracking down and sending updated versions to the owners of their products to assure they had the latest product information. Further, many of the the addresses they had on file were outdated and they also bore the cost of materials being returned to them.

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Dec 18, 2020 10:44:39   #
Red6
 
jimneotech wrote:
Correct me if I wrong but I believe that people still have to write a PDF or online manual.


Yes, computers have changed this operation. Years ago, teams of technical writers would take a device or piece of software, learn how to use it, interview the designer and then write a users manual. Secretaries would type it and format it into a manual. Today, the designer does a lot of this documentation as they design it and then either the designer or sometimes a technical writer, or product manager using a word processor types it and builds a user manual. Technical writers are still around but in much smaller numbers. This job is often done by a product manager who has a technical background but often works in marketing or sales.

The same thing happened to secretaries. Before computers, secretaries typed all correspondence and documentation inside the company. When computers and word processors came on the scene, most people in the company started typing their own correspondence , often using email to send it. In many small companies secretarial positions disappeared completely. The small company I worked for had 8-10 secretaries when I hired on in 1985. By the time I retired 33 years later the company was larger but the number of secretaries was zero.

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Dec 18, 2020 10:50:57   #
tomcat
 
Red6 wrote:
Yes, computers have changed this operation. Years ago, teams of technical writers would take a device or piece of software, learn how to use it, interview the designer and then write a users manual. Secretaries would type it and format it into a manual. Today, the designer does a lot of this documentation as they design it and then either the designer or sometimes a technical writer, or product manager using a word processor types it and builds a user manual. Technical writers are still around but in much smaller numbers. This job is often done by a product manager who has a technical background but often works in marketing or sales.

The same thing happened to secretaries. Before computers, secretaries typed all correspondence and documentation inside the company. When computers and word processors came on the scene, most people in the company started typing their own correspondence , often using email to send it. In many small companies secretarial positions disappeared completely. The small company I worked for had 8-10 secretaries when I hired on in 1985. By the time I retired 33 years later the company was larger but the number of secretaries was zero.
Yes, computers have changed this operation. Years... (show quote)


If all those secretaries were gone, then who did the bosses fool around with?

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Dec 18, 2020 10:55:31   #
d3200prime
 
robirdman wrote:
Z7 II manual half the size of the Z7 I, so basic it even skips the usual 1st section showing all the parts of the camera. Have to use online digital to find out anything more.


Very interesting to read all the pros and cons considering manuals, electronic vs paper. One thing is absolutely etched in stone and unchangeable concerning this volatile subject. Regardless of your age or preference you nor anyone else will stop progress in this area of concern, that is, until the internet falls victim to foreign and/or domestic hackers with ill intent. Don't believe me just educate yourself on the latest hacks which have gone deep into our political/military/ business/and electrical systems and how purchasing electronic equipment from China for our power grid and other critical systems have put our nation at risk. I have a gut feeling all those who rely completely on electronic data whether for repairing military equipment, learning our cameras, or any other reason will be saying, now what in the H**l did I do with that hard copy while rummaging through their belongings to find their Coleman lantern. We better hope this is caught before the horse gets out of the barn if it hasn't already. Preposterous! Do you say? Like Radar's famous words in the TV series MASH, "Wait for it." I sure hope I'm wrong! Use the online manual if you like, but do keep/print the hard copy.

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Dec 18, 2020 10:59:05   #
dmagett Loc: Albuquerque NM/Sedona AZ
 
rook2c4 wrote:
Reading manuals on smartphones and tablets is the future. Most of the younger generation don't even want the clutter of hard copy manuals. They prefer manuals that are highly portable, searchable, and can be neatly organized on their electronic devices into virtual folders; the hard copy manuals end up either left sitting in the box untouched or shoved in the back of some drawer to be forgotten.

A few years ago I also wanted printed manuals for all of my gadgets. Now, not so much. They are too easily misplaced.
Reading manuals on smartphones and tablets is the ... (show quote)


I prefer manuals. I am very technical (build and maintain computers). I refuse to have a smart phone. I do not want to be "connected" when I am out. Besides, you can hardly see the screen in the sunlight. I also refuse to have a camera that does not have a viewfinder. Yes, you can call me "old"............ I do have a cell phone for emergency use. I have texting blocked on it. If people wish to contact me, they can call me, leave a message or email me.

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Dec 18, 2020 11:02:00   #
pithydoug Loc: Catskill Mountains, NY
 
E.L.. Shapiro wrote:
Not including a comprehensive PRINTED manual with expensive, high-end equipment is a disservice to the customer.

Besides photographic equipment, I set audio-visual conference rooms for some of my corporate/commercial clients. Just last week, I installed $50,000 worth of audiophile-grade sound gear and a giant screen in a conference room/training classroom. The user manuals were pathetic- or even a detailed layout of the back panel of a $5,000 amplifier. Some of the latest manuals packed with the new cameras are equally inadequate.

Sure, I can access this material online and perhaps print out a 300 page PDF- but why should I need to do that. So-there was in a crawl space in the back of this conference room with 30 odd wires and cables, a connection panel with numerous RCS, HDMI, USB, optical and some stage stuff that I never saw before, so what am I supposed to do, set up a computer with a monitor or a laptop in the closet-like space. The silk-screened labels on the un itself have tiny letters, on the computer screen, they are even smaller. A real schematic would have been a godsend- so I had to make one! A comprehensive manual with maintenance information. After the monster is finally wired there are numerous setup procedures that are electronically controlled through the remote.
The attached image is just half of that back panel- imaging that with a cable in every socket and no manual- not fun!

Cameras? Cameras used to have a shutter speed dial, an aperture setting, a means of focusing and a film advance mechanism, Nowadays the menu in a DSLR or Mirrorless cameras looks like the control center at the Brookhaven National Laboratories. A manual for beyond the quick setup would be nice.

I am old but I am pretty darn tech-savvy so their "welcome to the 21st-century" business is nonsense. Why- we are not allowed to READ anymore, or have some reference material for future use. troubleshooting, problem-solving? De wh have to keep a laptop in our camera bags or the glove box in our cars just to solve an issue, review a procedure, teach somehow the use their camera, lens or another accessory.

You spend 20- grand+ on a camera a d a few lenses and the manufacturer can afford some paperwork- give me a break!

Hey- I got a great recipe book with my $300. electric mixer!

If I want to buy a third-party user manual by a prominent user of my kinda gear, but again, why shud I have to after spending all that hard-earned money on top-of-the-line equipment.

Oftentimes, right here on this forum, someone posts a question about an issue with their gear and someone usually answers "look at page 56 in your user manual" or just, " Read your manual! Waht manual?
Not including a comprehensive PRINTED manual with ... (show quote)


So you think they make a bundle of money on each camera that to include a multi-hundred page manual should be included, would be chump change? If they decided to include a manual and bump the price every buyer would be bitching for the PDF version online with the easy search included. Camera makers are struggling to stay afloat and you want them to struggle more? Cameras expensive, yes, but in a way you get what you pay for. If the camera is too expensive for the quality, the word will go out and they will shoot themselves in the groin.

In answer to your last question "what Manual" - the one online! Do you get one with your car or your washing machine.....? For those with a paper fixation, there will be third party books coming out. I had a great one when I got my Canon 5DIII some many years back.

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Dec 18, 2020 11:03:14   #
tomcat
 
dmagett wrote:
I prefer manuals. I am very technical (build and maintain computers). I refuse to have a smart phone. I do not want to be "connected" when I am out. Besides, you can hardly see the screen in the sunlight. I also refuse to have a camera that does not have a viewfinder. Yes, you can call me "old"............ I do have a cell phone for emergency use. I have texting blocked on it. If people wish to contact me, they can call me, leave a message or email me.


good for you....I think I am heading that way myself. This stuff is getting too complicated for me to keep up with.

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Dec 18, 2020 12:15:34   #
IDguy Loc: Idaho
 
If you want to see useless manuals buy a multihundred thousand dollar RV. Even the online ones are completely useless.

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Dec 18, 2020 12:18:04   #
IDguy Loc: Idaho
 
dmagett wrote:
I prefer manuals. I am very technical (build and maintain computers). I refuse to have a smart phone. I do not want to be "connected" when I am out. Besides, you can hardly see the screen in the sunlight. I also refuse to have a camera that does not have a viewfinder. Yes, you can call me "old"............ I do have a cell phone for emergency use. I have texting blocked on it. If people wish to contact me, they can call me, leave a message or email me.


Can tell you haven't used current generation screens. They are quite visible in bright light...as long as you don't wear polarized sunglasses.

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Dec 18, 2020 12:31:41   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
When I bought my last Jeep you had to request paper manuals. They were free. I was told that starting the following year they no longer provided paper manuals.

I have all my camera, tool, and automotive manuals loaded on a Kindle Fire, maybe 2. It sure makes things easy.

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Dec 18, 2020 12:32:49   #
bittermelon
 
so what am I supposed to do, set up a computer with a monitor or a laptop in the closet-like space.

Sigh. No of course not. You have your manuals pre-loaded on your devices (phone, iPad, etc). So when you need it, you read the manual on your devices, instead of carrying printed manuals with you. Prints too small? There are special devices you can wear that projects images for you. So if you are crawling under some heavy machinery making a repair, you don't need to crawl out to read a printed manual. The manual is right on your person.

This is not even the future anymore. This is the present. I remember many years ago, when I was still in school, wearable computer was just being developed. Do you really think they carry printed manuals on the Space Station? Do you think the astronauts floating out in space making repairs actually read printed manuals?

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Dec 18, 2020 12:35:09   #
IDguy Loc: Idaho
 
tomcat wrote:
A paper copy can be read ANYTIME. When the power is out or no internet what you do then? Just sit and listen to the in-bound missiles as they land?


iPhone and iPad, where my manuals reside, have batteries. No need for Internet as the pdfs are saved in Books App.

My RV, which is parked next to the house when I'm not galavanting, has a good size generator if needed. Or I have inverters to power off the batteries. One of my autos even has one built-in. And of course all now have usb ports. But our power outages, which are relatively frequent due to weather and fires (fires usually caused by hawks arcing out the wires but snow can upset things), only last a few hours at most. Usually the Internet stays up but isn't accessible because modem power is out. No cell service where I live. If I really feel Internet deprived I can drive the 14 miles to town and use it on my Cell or new iPad...unless the one road is blocked for fire fighting.

Perhaps more importantly my need for the manuals is very infrequent. I've been a Nikon user for over five years and although I get the latest cameras from time to time (Currently Z6 and Z50) the menus and controls don't change much. I also have a little Lumix (GM5) which I use infrequently and thus have to access it's manual more often. I'm going to send it down the road though as the Z50 does its job better.

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Dec 18, 2020 12:38:18   #
JayGallimore Loc: Wilson NC
 
Gasman57 wrote:
Not a smart way to reduce costs. Piss off factor vs real $ savings. Seems to be the norm now.


Piss off factor only works on those who are pissoffable ...

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