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Dec 12, 2020 10:31:19   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
srt101fan wrote:
Masks do work, but they're clearly not a perfect solution. For that matter individual protection by itself is not enough. You need to add contamination avoidance, contamination control and decontamination.

Please think Risk Reduction and do what you can to help out.....

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Dec 12, 2020 10:33:44   #
diny
 
We need the "sheep" to please listen and reason!

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Dec 12, 2020 10:37:32   #
foathog Loc: Greensboro, NC
 
IDguy wrote:
Mine stay bent.


I look at people on TV and A LOT of them don't. How many times have you seen some idiot with the mask BELOW their nose?? I want to scream at them for being SOOO stupid.

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Dec 12, 2020 10:47:05   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
A question for you. Would you take the word from an expert regarding anything for which there has never been a scientific study verifying its efficacy? I think not, especially if it involves your health. Well consider this--there has NEVER been a single scientific study verifying the eficacy of masks. JNot even a "risk reduction" study. "Wear a Mask" has no science of any kind prooving it's value as a disease preventer. It is merely a suggestion. I wear a mask for several reasons. Mostly because it aint worth the hassel not to. Ajnd I only wear it when indoors. The entire mask thing is political BS so as to convince the public that the politicians are actually doing something.

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Dec 12, 2020 10:52:23   #
clickety
 
jeep_daddy wrote:
Did you watch the video? It appeared to me that the mask just redirected the particles upward in ALL cases and it didn't trap hardly ANY of the mist. You should watch again.

I agree that Risk Reduction is important. That's why we should distance ourselves, wash hand well, try not to touch faces, don't shake hands with others, and if you are NOT in good health or you are elderly, be more diligent with reducing risks. But masks are very ineffective if you ask me. Yes, yes, yes, there are videos and studies that say otherwise but there are just as many that dispute those videos as well.

A very good friend of mine is a flight attendant with Delta and she is VERY diligent about wearing her mask, making sure passengers are using them properly, following all the other guidelines etc. Well, guess what, she got Covid19 18 days ago and is just now feeling better. She tested positive twice. She can't go back to work until the tests come back negative. She can't have knee surgery now for about 4 more months because there is an antibody test that will detect Covid19 for usually 4 months and hospitals in CA will not perform surgeries like this until the antibody tests are negative as well.

And finally, my brother-in-law is a physician and has written some papers about the use of masks and their effectiveness and he supports my side of things. They are NOT very effective. Yes, they are probably 5% effective, but that's not much. The better N95 masks, worn properly are a little more effective, but not much.....
Did you watch the video? It appeared to me that t... (show quote)


Sorry to hear about your friend.
OF COURSE, being confined within a small tube densely filled with a few hundred travelers of unknown health status, converging from who knows where in the country/world each having just been exposed to all things conceivable prior to boarding, all while breathing and rebreathing recirculated air certainly would not cause a covid infection. IF ONLY those damn masks were any good?

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Dec 12, 2020 11:11:26   #
srt101fan
 
boberic wrote:
A question for you. Would you take the word from an expert regarding anything for which there has never been a scientific study verifying its efficacy? I think not, especially if it involves your health. Well consider this--there has NEVER been a single scientific study verifying the eficacy of masks. JNot even a "risk reduction" study. "Wear a Mask" has no science of any kind prooving it's value as a disease preventer. It is merely a suggestion. I wear a mask for several reasons. Mostly because it aint worth the hassel not to. Ajnd I only wear it when indoors. The entire mask thing is political BS so as to convince the public that the politicians are actually doing something.
A question for you. Would you take the word from ... (show quote)


I have tried, but I really don't understand that attitude. Over and over I hear this thing that there has never been a scientific study that proves the efficacy of masks.

Isn't it enough to know that a mask will significantly reduce your risk of inhaling bad s--t? If you're caught in a sandstorm, don't you want to cover your face? Don't you wear a mask when you're sanding wood or drywall? When you're spray-painting? When you're working outside and are sensitive to allergens?......

And, if you don't care about yourself, don't you want to keep your s--t from hurting or killing another person?

As Ann-Margret sang in a totally different context: "I Just Don't Understand"........

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Dec 12, 2020 11:13:12   #
Say Cheese Loc: Eastern PA
 
To start off with, I wear a mask in public.....
I am a people person and I like seeing peoples faces and love to talk to people. With masks you cannot see the smile, the frown or stay away from me look. One of the things I love doing each year is photographing the Christmas party that is held a children's home. Some of the children have never had a Christmas present, now they received many. Can you even imagine the smiles, the tears on their faces when they realize that complete strangers cared about them when they never had anyone care about them before. With the virus going around I may not be able do it this year. I can only imagine pictures of the kids with masks on. No smiles to see, no emotions, no seeing the joy in their faces. That is why I do not like wearing a mask.
Merry Christmas

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Dec 12, 2020 11:17:09   #
Delderby Loc: Derby UK
 
boberic wrote:
A question for you. Would you take the word from an expert regarding anything for which there has never been a scientific study verifying its efficacy? I think not, especially if it involves your health. Well consider this--there has NEVER been a single scientific study verifying the eficacy of masks. JNot even a "risk reduction" study. "Wear a Mask" has no science of any kind prooving it's value as a disease preventer. It is merely a suggestion. I wear a mask for several reasons. Mostly because it aint worth the hassel not to. Ajnd I only wear it when indoors. The entire mask thing is political BS so as to convince the public that the politicians are actually doing something.
A question for you. Would you take the word from ... (show quote)


"Beware the Experts" - my life long motto! But the only person here mentioning an expert (physician) was jeep-daddy who is obviously a no-mask guy. Now define Science! I - repeat I - say that a mask DOES have a value in helping to prevent the spread of Covid - an unquantified value maybe - but still a worthwhile value. The Mayo Clinic chart published above by ID Guy is most convincing.
Of course, as you say - it is political - and who made it so? But it is not the politicians who will or will not wear your mask for you.

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Dec 12, 2020 12:00:22   #
bwilliams
 
The Danish study is the only true one with a control group and masks did not work. If they did states that have had mask mandates would have fewer cases in Wisconsin since the mandate the numbers went up.

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Dec 12, 2020 12:07:05   #
John_F Loc: Minneapolis, MN
 
One of my fears are door handles and knobs. Did someone sneeze into their hand and then open the door?

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Dec 12, 2020 13:04:46   #
Daryls Loc: Waco, TX
 
Stephan G wrote:
And I will say that your BIL has not done his research very well. Nothing is effective in of itself. A lot depends on the actual environment and how/what is used. My background is in water purification, all the way to filtering urine into drinking water. It requires several actions and differing filters, which individually will have certain capability, and incapability. Bottom line, there is no one-size fits all solution. However, properly worn masks, with the other regimes, are actually a good start. There are several other actions that actually increase the probability of avoiding the virus, starting with all of us wearing the mask.
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Stephan,

You should revise that statement to read, "...Starting with all of us distancing (avoiding exposure), and if you cannot avoid exposure, then limit your exposure time, properly don, wear, & remove face masks, and wash hands BEFORE touching anything else!"

Daryl

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Dec 12, 2020 13:37:29   #
chrissybabe Loc: New Zealand
 
jaymatt wrote:
I wear a mask to protect ME from other people; and I’ll bet that most of you do, too, just saying . . . .

You are just saying it very very wrong.
What does it take to get through to people.
If most US people are wearing a mask to protect themselves then that is the height of selfishness.
The mask isn't to protect YOU from other people - it is to protect OTHER people from YOU.

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Dec 12, 2020 13:50:25   #
JohnSwanda Loc: San Francisco
 
chrissybabe wrote:
You are just saying it very very wrong.
What does it take to get through to people.
If most US people are wearing a mask to protect themselves then that is the height of selfishness.
The mask isn't to protect YOU from other people - it is to protect OTHER people from YOU.


I don't think wearing a mask to protect yourself is selfish. It still protects others. I wear one to protect myself AND others. It's the people who refuse to wear a mask who are selfish and don't care about others.

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Dec 12, 2020 13:52:33   #
shangyrhee Loc: Nashville TN to Sacramento CA
 
TriX wrote:
👍👍 Exactly.


Ditto !!! Common sense is what we need in this country Shang

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Dec 12, 2020 15:00:10   #
srt101fan
 
JohnSwanda wrote:
I don't think wearing a mask to protect yourself is selfish. It still protects others. I wear one to protect myself AND others. It's the people who refuse to wear a mask who are selfish and don't care about others.


Right on!

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